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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I haven't lost all hope yet but everyday that hope gets drained. In reading through the threads it's apparent there's a growing lack of morality in our society. Those who claim they are for the "live and let live" are often those who do not believe in personal responsibility for those choices. I about lost my breakfast reading through comments in a Poll question over a 13 year old boy having sex with a woman and the number of folks on this forum attempting to justify it which amounts to pedophilia. So many believe others should carry the financial burden of those who crap up their own lives because of poor choices. Between the growing number who have lost their moral compasses and the absence of personal responsibility one can not help but become pessimistic.
    Opt instead for a healthy criticism. Never become jaded. There's no such thing as an insoluble problem.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Public K-12 Enrollment and Graduate Projections by County - California Department of Finance
    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Okay, so you don't believe Bartlett, who by far is no left leaning person btw? How about a highly conservative think tank that basically agrees with Bartlett.

    Some new empirical evidence suggests that tax and expenditure limits do not work. Benjamin Zycher, a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, recently produced a study that finds that the provisions are ineffective. As Zycher explains:
    The ineffectiveness of TELs is unambiguous in terms of summary statistics, case-study examination of the records of several individual states, and estimation of an econometric model. . . . In part, it is likely that the limits themselves are the products of the same political pressures and election dynamics that yield fiscal outcomes. Moreover, the competition among political interests that results in budget outcomes also is likely to weaken or circumvent limits that otherwise would be effective. Prop 13 in California, 35 Years Later | Tax Foundation

    It's hard to cut spending on things like schools, with a growing population. If they wanted to cut school spending, they should have just decided not to invest in school spending. You could have more kids entering school and with each influx of students, just cut a teacher. With more people moving into an area, cut police, fire and emergency personnel. Cutting taxes will NOT automatically cut these services, especially as the population grows. Usually, these services grow as the population grows. So, less revenue coming in for years while services are still needed equals more revenue needed in the future....and the future is now the present. They have a shortfall of money because they didn't pay it forward during the good times.

    While the authors of the weak articles you posted brushed by the subject, the fact is, California has been, and continues to be, home to some of the highest per student spending on education in the country. Purposely removed from figures provided by the CTA, and the California Department of Education has been the $10's of billions spent on school upgrades and construction over the last 40 years. For example, California is putting the finishing touches on the largest public works projects in the nation, a $20+ billion school replacement program that resulted in a $500 million High School, and many other outrageous wastes of money.

    All this spending has been conveniently left of the calculations used for spending on education, so the Teachers Union can continue to suggest Prop 13 has devasted schools, and resulted in the dismal graduation rates among students in California.

    By the way, the Los Angeles Unified School district is spending $1 billion to hand out iPads to every student. The money came from the Construction Fund, and will not be refelcted in figures used when pleading their case for lack of spending.

    One final thing, the k-12 student population has been shrinking over many years, and isn't expected to see any real increase for many more years.

    Public K-12 Enrollment and Graduate Projections by County - California Department of Finance

    Over the next ten years California will experience a growth in public K-12 enrollment of 0.7 percent to reach a total of over 6,264,000 students. This growth will result in an additional 45,800 students by 2022-23, occurring mostly in secondary enrollment. Elementary enrollment is expected to remain fairly steady with a slight uptick by 2022-23 as births continue to remain flat contributing to a lower forecast for the 2013 series.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Okay, so you don't believe Bartlett, who by far is no left leaning person btw? How about a highly conservative think tank that basically agrees with Bartlett.

    Some new empirical evidence suggests that tax and expenditure limits do not work. Benjamin Zycher, a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, recently produced a study that finds that the provisions are ineffective. As Zycher explains:
    The ineffectiveness of TELs is unambiguous in terms of summary statistics, case-study examination of the records of several individual states, and estimation of an econometric model. . . . In part, it is likely that the limits themselves are the products of the same political pressures and election dynamics that yield fiscal outcomes. Moreover, the competition among political interests that results in budget outcomes also is likely to weaken or circumvent limits that otherwise would be effective. Prop 13 in California, 35 Years Later | Tax Foundation

    It's hard to cut spending on things like schools, with a growing population. If they wanted to cut school spending, they should have just decided not to invest in school spending. You could have more kids entering school and with each influx of students, just cut a teacher. With more people moving into an area, cut police, fire and emergency personnel. Cutting taxes will NOT automatically cut these services, especially as the population grows. Usually, these services grow as the population grows. So, less revenue coming in for years while services are still needed equals more revenue needed in the future....and the future is now the present. They have a shortfall of money because they didn't pay it forward during the good times.

    While the authors of the weak articles you posted brushed by the subject, the fact is, California has been, and continues to be, home to some of the highest per student spending on education in the country. Purposely removed from figures provided by the CTA, and the California Department of Education has been the $10's of billions spent on school upgrades and construction over the last 40 years. For example, California is putting the finishing touches on the largest public works projects in the nation, a $20+ billion school replacement program that resulted in a $500 million High School, and many other outrageous wastes of money.

    All this spending has been conveniently left of the calculations used for spending on education, so the Teachers Union can continue to suggest Prop 13 has devasted schools, and resulted in the dismal graduation rates among students in California.

    By the way, the Los Angeles Unified School district is spending $1 billion to hand out iPads to every student. The money came from the Construction Fund, and will not be used when pleading their case for lack of spending.

    One final thing, the k-12 student population over the last 5 years has been shrinking, and isn't expected to see any real increase for another couple years.

    Public K-12 Enrollment and Graduate Projections by County - California Department of Finance

    Over the next ten years California will experience a growth in public K-12 enrollment of 0.7 percent to reach a total of over 6,264,000 students. This growth will result in an additional 45,800 students by 2022-23, occurring mostly in secondary enrollment. Elementary enrollment is expected to remain fairly steady with a slight uptick by 2022-23 as births continue to remain flat contributing to a lower forecast for the 2013 series.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Edited to eliminate duplicate

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    : What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of America?
    Very Pessimistic. I can't see it changing much at all.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Public K-12 Enrollment and Graduate Projections by County - California Department of Finance


    While the authors of the weak articles you posted brushed by the subject, the fact is, California has been, and continues to be, home to some of the highest per student spending on education in the country. Purposely removed from figures provided by the CTA, and the California Department of Education has been the $10's of billions spent on school upgrades and construction over the last 40 years. For example, California is putting the finishing touches on the largest public works projects in the nation, a $20+ billion school replacement program that resulted in a $500 million High School, and many other outrageous wastes of money.

    All this spending has been conveniently left of the calculations used for spending on education, so the Teachers Union can continue to suggest Prop 13 has devasted schools, and resulted in the dismal graduation rates among students in California.

    By the way, the Los Angeles Unified School district is spending $1 billion to hand out iPads to every student. The money came from the Construction Fund, and will not be refelcted in figures used when pleading their case for lack of spending.

    One final thing, the k-12 student population has been shrinking over many years, and isn't expected to see any real increase for many more years.

    Public K-12 Enrollment and Graduate Projections by County - California Department of Finance

    Over the next ten years California will experience a growth in public K-12 enrollment of 0.7 percent to reach a total of over 6,264,000 students. This growth will result in an additional 45,800 students by 2022-23, occurring mostly in secondary enrollment. Elementary enrollment is expected to remain fairly steady with a slight uptick by 2022-23 as births continue to remain flat contributing to a lower forecast for the 2013 series.
    Well that is an out right lie. CA national standing on per pupil funding began to dip below the national average after the passage of Prop 13. Today it ranks 49th lowest per pupil funding. The "expected" population numbers mean Jack. They have a lack of funding today due to bad policies of improper funding from decades ago. The effects are coming home to roost now. All states have to maintain school buildings and many times those funds come from federal grants so please give me more information about your claim on these so called "removed" figures. TIA

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    I'm cautiously optimistic.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Well that is an out right lie. CA national standing on per pupil funding began to dip below the national average after the passage of Prop 13. Today it ranks 49th lowest per pupil funding. The "expected" population numbers mean Jack. They have a lack of funding today due to bad policies of improper funding from decades ago. The effects are coming home to roost now. All states have to maintain school buildings and many times those funds come from federal grants so please give me more information about your claim on these so called "removed" figures. TIA
    No, an absolute fact. The lie is the one you posted. That lie, clung to by the liberal/progressive left, was created by the California Department of Education, and parroted by the California Teachers Association, the corrupt union responsible for the demise of quality education in the state.

    It's a complete lie, a total manipulation of the facts, and further evidence of the corruption that is at the center of public education in general, and California Public Education specifically. When all spending on education in California is totalled up, including the billions spent every year on projects tucked into quaint things like "construction", only D.C. ranks higher.

    For example, would you not agree that spending $1 billion to equip every student in the LA Unified School District is part of education spending? Well, it's not, according to LAUSD. The funds are being taken from their construction budget, so they aren't counted as spending on students. See how that works?

    L.A. school board moves forward with computer effort - latimes.com

    Sorry, but you're in an a no-win on this. The Kool-aid can't wash away the facts.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No, an absolute fact. The lie is the one you posted. That lie, clung to by the liberal/progressive left, was created by the California Department of Education, and parroted by the California Teachers Association, the corrupt union responsible for the demise of quality education in the state.

    It's a complete lie, a total manipulation of the facts, and further evidence of the corruption that is at the center of public education in general, and California Public Education specifically. When all spending on education in California is totalled up, including the billions spent every year on projects tucked into quaint things like "construction", only D.C. ranks higher.

    For example, would you not agree that spending $1 billion to equip every student in the LA Unified School District is part of education spending? Well, it's not, according to LAUSD. The funds are being taken from their construction budget, so they aren't counted as spending on students. See how that works?

    L.A. school board moves forward with computer effort - latimes.com

    Sorry, but you're in an a no-win on this. The Kool-aid can't wash away the facts.



    Complete BS. I find it funny you blame the California Teachers Association as "responsible for the demise of quality education in the state." Fact, CA spends 49th in the nation as far as per pupil spending. Construction is not counted as part of that expenditure for any state so such a pathetic red herring That sounds incredibly desperate to use. Again, FACT---CA spends less on per pupil spending than 49 other states. Then you gave me a link that proves jack. Many states including my own are using funds to prepare for mandates from the federal government to be prepared to test students by a certain time (has been extended in many places) on national standards. THAT has nothing to do with CA as an individual state. Many places are scurrying to get their technology up to date. If the students in that district can use it for other things, that may be a good thing since technology is important in this day and age, but after reading that article it sounds like they may only be able to afford those devices for test taking. That I find as a waste of money and truly sad.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Many factors affect one's outlook about various things - history, current events, politics, religion, media, family & friends, personal character traits, life experiences, environment, upbringing, education, etc. etc. etc.

    Just curious. Nothing ulterior, just curiosity.

    What is your outlook re the future of the United States of America - and maybe why?

    Very Optimistic
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    Very Pessimistic
    How long with the US make it?

    Pretend that the US is a person. That person lives on junk food and is in poor health because of it. But he doesn't have money to pay the doctor. Nor will he stop eating junk food. That person is fearful of offending anyone. So he just offends everyone. He cannot pay his utilities and food bill without borrowing money. He has few genuine friends. His only friends are people he gives money to. And he has to borrow the money to give it to them. The people who have loaned him money up to his credit limit no longer have confidence in him, have downgraded his credit rating. And, in fact, he has lost a great deal of his income generating potential. He has snubbed every friend he has whose mores and values are similar to his own and whose loyalty he can count on. He has openly courted so called friends who openly call for his destruction. He is just out of his infancy and older people laugh while he swaggers and boasts that he is the best that ever was knowing full well that greater men than himself have met an untimely and painful demise.

    Do I need to go on?

    How long would this individual make it? Not long.

    Now, pretend this individual is a country. Pretend that country is OUR country.

    Because that individual IS our country.
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