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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Oh, I'm quite the student of political history, especially the political history of California. As it is, the issue is Progressivism, and the dominating position this philosophy has taken in the Democrat agenda.

    As to who is more left, I think the actions taken Democrats in power over recent years to establish the ruling of citizens by unanswerable Regulatory Agencies firmly establishes todays Democrats as rather extreme leftists.

    As far a California is concerned, the reporting of the economics here, as created by the liberal/progressives in control, should be considered a crime of omission. The surplus being reported only exists because the Progressives decided not to pay back the billions they borrowed from things like the Highway Fund, to balance previous budgets. This doesn't begin to include the deferred payments in the amounts of billions to meet minimum funding standards for public employee pay and benefits.

    Then there is the train to nowhere the Unions are forcing Progressives to continue pushing, against the will of the people who were lied to, and which is projected to cost the state billions of dollars every year to subsidize.

    No, California is indeed the petrie dish, and the stench can't be hidden, despite the delusion of those who desperately defend the carnage.
    Even a conservative, Bruce Bartlett, disagrees. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ype=blogs&_r=0

    Also here:

    California voters approved Proposition 13 to rein in property taxes that had doubled in 10 years. More than three decades later, that rebellion has mortgaged the stateís future, saddling it with the nationís highest debt and lowest credit rating.
    California Diminished by Tax Revolt of 1978 Shows How U.S. Invites Decline - Bloomberg

    Starve the Beast policies championed by the Repubs only left many a place in massive debt.

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    What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of ...

    Pretty low. Well paying jobs are drying up and the United States is in decline as our wealth flees overseas into third world hellholes.

    Globally, wages will be so depressed that we won't be able to purchase what we manufacture leading to further declines and perhaps drastic population reductions as our interconnected web of resource distribution breaks down.

    I am not optimistic for the near term.

    Long term, I am very optimistic as once our technology gets good enough to uncouple our consciousness from our flesh, we will do things I cannot possibly imagine.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of ...

    The US used to be a good place to invest capital and get a good return. That is no longer true. The middle class has become fat, lazy and ineffective and is not able to generate the returns on capital that make a country great. I'd say the time is now to start harvesting and not invest anymore. It's no wonder the lion's share of investment capital is flowing to Asia. When the returns stop flowing into the US and stay abroad the future will turn bleak very quickly. And the middle class will only have themselves to blame.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Many factors affect one's outlook about various things - history, current events, politics, religion, media, family & friends, personal character traits, life experiences, environment, upbringing, education, etc. etc. etc.

    Just curious. Nothing ulterior, just curiosity.

    What is your outlook re the future of the United States of America - and maybe why?

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    We're pretty much just falling down the drain of despotism, corporatism, and fascism. It could be argued that the old Republic is already dead.
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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Even a conservative, Bruce Bartlett, disagrees. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ype=blogs&_r=0

    Also here:

    California voters approved Proposition 13 to rein in property taxes that had doubled in 10 years. More than three decades later, that rebellion has mortgaged the state’s future, saddling it with the nation’s highest debt and lowest credit rating.
    California Diminished by Tax Revolt of 1978 Shows How U.S. Invites Decline - Bloomberg

    Starve the Beast policies championed by the Repubs only left many a place in massive debt.
    Insanity. But oh so typical from the wack jobs on the left.

    In 1999, when Gray Davis, Democrat, took office as Govenor of California, his Republican predesessor, Pete Wilson, handed him a state with a $16 billion budget surplus. With Prop 13, how was such a thing possible? Recalled for his spending insanity, (See his approval of AB 400, Public Employee Pension Plan that has destroyed California's Finances) California has yet to recover, and has only recently, for the first time in over a decade, shown a surplus caused only by the takers who vote in California deciding the rich needed to cover even more of their living expenses. Isn't it interesting how Progressives love to insult the rich, yet demand they fund their lives? Interesting approach.

    Frankly, it's quite simple to vaporize the liberal opinions of biased rags like the NY Times, and Bloomberg with the simple observation that despite the attempts to limit the legislatures ability to raise taxes, California has the highest income taxes and sales taxes in the Nation. Again, how is that possible?

    Forgotten by the partisal bots at the Times and Bloomberg, is that the measure is revenue. Property values in California are, on average, considerably higher than in any other state in the US. As a result, revenue generated by Property Taxes places California squarely in the middle of all revenues per property in the country. Would you, the NYT, or Bloomberg, suggest that Property taxes should also be the highest in the Nation, along with income taxes and sales taxes?

    In the end, the points you've attempted to make only result in a massive fail. It's understandable why so many Progressives fear full knowledge of what they have done in California will get out. It's their worst nightmare, and indefensible, even by the minions who try.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Even a conservative, Bruce Bartlett, disagrees. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ype=blogs&_r=0

    Also here:

    California voters approved Proposition 13 to rein in property taxes that had doubled in 10 years. More than three decades later, that rebellion has mortgaged the stateís future, saddling it with the nationís highest debt and lowest credit rating.
    California Diminished by Tax Revolt of 1978 Shows How U.S. Invites Decline - Bloomberg

    Starve the Beast policies championed by the Repubs only left many a place in massive debt.
    Insanity. But oh so typical from the wack jobs on the left.

    In 1999, when Gray Davis, Democrat, took office as Govenor of California, his Republican predesessor, Pete Wilson, handed him a state with a $16 billion budget surplus. With Prop 13, how was such a thing possible? Recalled for his spending insanity, (See his approval of AB 400, Public Employee Pension Plan that has destroyed California's Finances) California has yet to recover, and has only recently, for the first time in over a decade, shown a surplus caused only by the takers who vote in California deciding the rich needed to cover even more of their living expenses. Isn't it interesting how Progressives love to insult the rich, yet demand they fund their lives? Interesting approach.

    Frankly, it's quite simple to vaporize the liberal opinions of biased rags like the NY Times, and Bloomberg with the simple observation that despite the attempts to limit the legislatures ability to raise taxes, California has the highest income taxes and sales taxes in the Nation. Again, how is that possible?

    Forgotten by the partisal bots at the Times and Bloomberg, is that the measure is revenue. Property values in California are, on average, considerably higher than in any other state in the US. As a result, revenue generated by Property Taxes places California squarely in the middle of all revenues per property in the country. Would you, the NYT, or Bloomberg, suggest that Property taxes should also be the highest in the Nation, along with income taxes and sales taxes?

    In the end, the points you've attempted to make only result in a massive fail. It's understandable why so many Progressives fear full knowledge of what they have done in California will get out. It's their worst nightmare, and indefensible, even by the minions who try.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Insanity. But oh so typical from the wack jobs on the left.

    In 1999, when Gray Davis, Democrat, took office as Govenor of California, his Republican predesessor, Pete Wilson, handed him a state with a $16 billion budget surplus. With Prop 13, how was such a thing possible? Recalled for his spending insanity, (See his approval of AB 400, Public Employee Pension Plan that has destroyed California's Finances) California has yet to recover, and has only recently, for the first time in over a decade, shown a surplus caused only by the takers who vote in California deciding the rich needed to cover even more of their living expenses. Isn't it interesting how Progressives love to insult the rich, yet demand they fund their lives? Interesting approach.

    Frankly, it's quite simple to vaporize the liberal opinions of biased rags like the NY Times, and Bloomberg with the simple observation that despite the attempts to limit the legislatures ability to raise taxes, California has the highest income taxes and sales taxes in the Nation. Again, how is that possible?

    Forgotten by the partisal bots at the Times and Bloomberg, is that the measure is revenue. Property values in California are, on average, considerably higher than in any other state in the US. As a result, revenue generated by Property Taxes places California squarely in the middle of all revenues per property in the country. Would you, the NYT, or Bloomberg, suggest that Property taxes should also be the highest in the Nation, along with income taxes and sales taxes?

    In the end, the points you've attempted to make only result in a massive fail. It's understandable why so many Progressives fear full knowledge of what they have done in California will get out. It's their worst nightmare, and indefensible, even by the minions who try.
    Okay, so you don't believe Bartlett, who by far is no left leaning person btw? How about a highly conservative think tank that basically agrees with Bartlett.

    Some new empirical evidence suggests that tax and expenditure limits do not work. Benjamin Zycher, a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, recently produced a study that finds that the provisions are ineffective. As Zycher explains:
    The ineffectiveness of TELs is unambiguous in terms of summary statistics, case-study examination of the records of several individual states, and estimation of an econometric model. . . . In part, it is likely that the limits themselves are the products of the same political pressures and election dynamics that yield fiscal outcomes. Moreover, the competition among political interests that results in budget outcomes also is likely to weaken or circumvent limits that otherwise would be effective. Prop 13 in California, 35 Years Later | Tax Foundation

    It's hard to cut spending on things like schools, with a growing population. If they wanted to cut school spending, they should have just decided not to invest in school spending. You could have more kids entering school and with each influx of students, just cut a teacher. With more people moving into an area, cut police, fire and emergency personnel. Cutting taxes will NOT automatically cut these services, especially as the population grows. Usually, these services grow as the population grows. So, less revenue coming in for years while services are still needed equals more revenue needed in the future....and the future is now the present. They have a shortfall of money because they didn't pay it forward during the good times.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    What kind of screwball debate is this ???
    We are either improving or we are not ....
    Charts and graphs ?
    stats?
    And NOT from the biased and prejudged either.....there must be some honest sources.....
    NPR ?
    I believe that we have a good future, BUT we must work on education , trust in government..
    Campaign and campaign finance reform are vital to this...
    What works is a balance between the Conservatives and liberals....maybe we should rename the political parties...
    Communists
    Liberals
    Democratic-Republicans
    Conservatives
    Libertarians

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    What kind of screwball debate is this ???
    We are either improving or we are not ....
    Charts and graphs ?
    stats?
    And NOT from the biased and prejudged either.....there must be some honest sources.....
    NPR ?
    I believe that we have a good future, BUT we must work on education , trust in government..
    Campaign and campaign finance reform are vital to this...
    What works is a balance between the Conservatives and liberals....maybe we should rename the political parties...
    Communists
    Liberals
    Democratic-Republicans
    Conservatives
    Libertarians
    Trust in government? The last thing you should do if you wish to remain free is to trust in government. Government is for its own powers and privilege and will work against The People should it ever be in their interest.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    I haven't lost all hope yet but everyday that hope gets drained. In reading through the threads it's apparent there's a growing lack of morality in our society. Those who claim they are for the "live and let live" are often those who do not believe in personal responsibility for those choices. I about lost my breakfast reading through comments in a Poll question over a 13 year old boy having sex with a woman and the number of folks on this forum attempting to justify it which amounts to pedophilia. So many believe others should carry the financial burden of those who crap up their own lives because of poor choices. Between the growing number who have lost their moral compasses and the absence of personal responsibility one can not help but become pessimistic.

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