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    Re: Would You Take a Free Trip to Paris?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    What is your fixation with race? You seem to constantly cite "whiteness" as if it's some disease and that it's the root of all evil in western society. You did the samething while hilariously maligning a remake spike lee did

    The irony is regardless of where you travel there are "safe" and established tourist routs catering to people just looking for the "cruise" type getaway. Regardless if that route is populated by middle class locals, Indian or Chinese nationals, or the Japanese. Race really has nothing to do with people being uncultured, lazy and stupid. And sometimes people just want to relax
    While I think you tend to go to Defcon 5 over nothing, I'll answer seriously anyway. When I refer to something as being "safe and white" I'm referring to the assumption that I, as a white person, can't handle an experience unless it's been placed in a context that is displaced from its ethnic origins. This ends up getting translated into something that is so bland that it's almost not worth experiencing at all.
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    Re: Would You Take a Free Trip to Paris?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    The Louvre is great, if you're into art museums.

    The throngs of tourists are only at the entrance and in a couple spots- like the Mona Lisa. The rest of the place is pretty empty because it's so flipping immense.

    Another key is to not go in the summer.
    The Louvre is enormous. I liked it a lot. And also Musée d'Orsay. And the Grand Palais. But there are endless things to see and do and most people just can't take in all in in a brief trip. One has to be dedicated and organized to even begin to grasp all of the obvious tourist places. It really becomes even more spectacular when you wander off of the tourista trail and check out the Parisian life....not the tourists life.

    Well, I guess I'm in a minority. I find Paris a really unique and fascinating place to be.

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    Re: Would You Take a Free Trip to Paris?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    You did the samething while hilariously maligning a remake spike lee did
    My problem with remakes of films originally made in Asia is partly the feeling that it needs to cater to white (or simply Western) audiences, but it's more to do with the objective in the story. Western storytelling tends to be based on self actualization and the realization of one's own abilities, while Eastern storytelling tends to be based on the acceptance of destiny and one's place in the grand scheme of things. When the story crosses from one construct to another it tends to lose its point.

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    Re: Would You Take a Free Trip to Paris?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    While I think you tend to go to Defcon 5 over nothing, I'll answer seriously anyway.

    Defcon 5? I pulled your card for being the type of liberal that always associates a negative with whiteness and in the process simply ignores basic human tendencies.

    When I refer to something as being "safe and white" I'm referring to the assumption that I, as a white person, can't handle an experience unless it's been placed in a context that is displaced from its ethnic origins. This ends up getting translated into something that is so bland that it's almost not worth experiencing at all.
    If you ever done any serious traveling you would know those types of places exist every where and cater to what ever ethnic and national group forms a majority. The fact that you feel such is inherently "white" is what makes it funny. Just like you making a similar comment about the inherent "whiteness" of a ****ty spike lee movie.

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    Re: Would You Take a Free Trip to Paris?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Defcon 5? I pulled your card for being the type of liberal that always associates a negative with whiteness and in the process simply ignores basic human tendencies.



    If you ever done any serious traveling you would know those types of places exist every where and cater to what ever ethnic and national group forms a majority. The fact that you feel such is inherently "white" is what makes it funny. Just like you making a similar comment about the inherent "whiteness" of a ****ty spike lee movie.
    You're not even trying to understand what I'm saying. I'm not talking about how being white or Western is bad, but about perceptions over what is safe for white people or Westerners, and how that results in the blanding down of experiences. I don't think it's an accident that every time I've been corralled into white/Western restaurants, for example, the food is a fraction of the spiciness of restaurants that serve almost exclusively its own natives.

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    Re: Would You Take a Free Trip to Paris?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    My problem with remakes of films originally made in Asia is partly the feeling that it needs to cater to white (or simply Western) audiences, but it's more to do with the objective in the story. Western storytelling tends to be based on self actualization and the realization of one's own abilities, while Eastern storytelling tends to be based on the acceptance of destiny and one's place in the grand scheme of things. When the story crosses from one construct to another it tends to lose its point.
    really, it seemed more that you weren't aware it was a spike lee movie and simply assumed such sanitizing was some inherent consequence of "whiteness".

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    Re: Would You Take a Free Trip to Paris?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    really, it seemed more that you weren't aware it was a spike lee movie and simply assumed such sanitizing was some inherent consequence of "whiteness".
    Your reading comprehension is nonexistent, and I've been far more patient with you than you deserve.

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    Re: Would You Take a Free Trip to Paris?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're not even trying to understand what I'm saying. I'm not talking about how being white or Western is bad, but about perceptions over what is safe for white people or Westerners, and how that results in the blanding down of experiences. I don't think it's an accident that every time I've been corralled into white/Western restaurants, for example, the food is a fraction of the spiciness of restaurants that serve almost exclusively its own natives.
    That's what you're not getting: in places where the dominate tourist group is Chinese you have such places catering to Chinese tourists in the same manner. In Bhutan, where the dominate tourist group is Indian, they cater to Indians by making the food more bland and playing up to middle class Indian sensibilities.

    It really has nothing to do with being white or western. It's just a consequence of how people are and the fact that they want a safe, relaxing holiday with no stress nor fuss.

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    Re: Would You Take a Free Trip to Paris?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    The Louvre is enormous. I liked it a lot. And also Musée d'Orsay. And the Grand Palais. But there are endless things to see and do and most people just can't take in all in in a brief trip. One has to be dedicated and organized to even begin to grasp all of the obvious tourist places. It really becomes even more spectacular when you wander off of the tourista trail and check out the Parisian life....not the tourists life.

    Well, I guess I'm in a minority. I find Paris a really unique and fascinating place to be.
    I don't think you're in a minority at all. Paris attracts the third most tourists of any city in the world (after Bangkok and London) so I think you're in pretty good company. Are we surprised that the Paris haters all seem to be RW Americans?
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    Re: Would You Take a Free Trip to Paris?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I don't think you're in a minority at all. Paris attracts the third most tourists of any city in the world (after Bangkok and London) so I think you're in pretty good company. Are we surprised that the Paris haters all seem to be RW Americans?
    I liked Germany well enough. If I didn't know any better, I almost could've been back home in the States.

    I just think Paris is kind of overrated.

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