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Is minimum wage a lot?

Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot?

  • Yes, give your general geographic location

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • No, give your general geographic location

    Votes: 37 88.1%
  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .
Peter Grimm said:
Straw man.

And it's hardly contradictory to say that we should have a system of managed capitalism.
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Your level of "management" isn't capitalism anymore.

Honestly, I wasn't aware that you were this authoritarian.
 
You can't own money. You only own the things that you obtain with money. It is called currency for a reason. It is supposed to flow around like a river. It isn't supposed to be hoarded up.

In the Bible wealthy people were called wealthy because they owned cattle, land, sheep and things of that nature not shiny rocks or paper with pretty designs.

Today billionaires are billionaires based upon the companies they own, the houses they own and things of that nature not shiny rocks or paper with pretty designs.

The government owns all money. They lend it out to be used as currency. Otherwise bartering would minimize the capacity for commerce. Money is invisible. It isn't even real. The real things are labor, buildings, cars, television sets, furniture, roads, gasoline and stuff like that. The government owns all money. Go ahead. Look for the words, "Federal Reserve Note". A dollar bill is an IOU.

I'm sure this obliterated your world view so I understand that you would prefer to dismiss it as a joke. This is the way money works. Do some research and I believe you will come to the same conclusion. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 had to be passed to change the nature of our money supply. Without the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 the income tax would be completely unconstitutional even with the 16th amendment. Your argument of unfair taxation was appropriate in 1912. You are 102 years in the past. Taxation is not stealing. Taxation used to be stealing back in the old days but I doubt you are 102 years or older. Even if you are, these arguments were only valid in your early childhood. It is impressive that you remember them.

No my friend. All money belongs to the Federal Reserve. That's where the money originated and it was never redistributed. It was only loaned out.
 
Neomalthusian said:
What on Earth kind of question is that? That has nothing to do with minimum wage analysis. We don't decide social and economic policies based on what's "precious."



No, they did it by trading with others, which people are and should be free to do.
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First, I didn't say they shouldn't be free to trade with others.

Second, what I was referring to was the need to have our priorities straight. Human beings are more important than the almighty dollar. We have a responsibility to take care of the poor.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
what liberal arts majors do you consider wasteful?

if stupidity were a crime, earth would be considered the largest prison ever created to house criminals
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Any with no possibility of ever earning enough to pay off the cost of the degree...
 
Gipper said:
The hell we do.

If you choose to do that, wonderful for you. Don't you tell me what my responsibilities are.

Damn fascists.
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We do have a responsibility to take care of those that are poor due to no fault of their own. At least to get them to a point to be able to support themselves if possible.
I feel no responsibility to help those that are unwilling to work and happy enough to simply take what is given them.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Who says it's their money? What does it say on a dollar bill? It says "United States of America."
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The use of that money is the benefit of earning it through your labor. Whether it is "yours" or not, it is your right to spend it as you see fit because you earned the right to do so.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Who says it's their money? What does it say on a dollar bill? It says "United States of America."
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Even more the reason for you to pint up your money.

Find someone locally who needs help, and use your money.

Don't hide behind others.
 
Gipper said:
Your level of "management" isn't capitalism anymore.

Honestly, I wasn't aware that you were this authoritarian.
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My political beliefs changed a lot about a month ago when the pope issued his papal exhortation in which he criticized unfettered capitalism and called upon the people and governments of the world to do more for the poor.

Ironically, I've always been a big Rush Limbaugh fan and it was on his show that I first heard about the pope's paper. As he was ripping in to the pope and demanding that he retract his statement, my heart and mind started to change.

Who is Rush Limbaugh to call out the pope like that? Conservatives are supposed to be the more religious type, but here is Limbaugh ripping up Christianity's #1 head hauncho.

At that point, I began to realize the pope was right. We pay lip service to being Christians, but we worship the almighty dollar. That started me down a road where I examined my own beliefs about free markets and the conclusion I came up with was that there will always be a certain percentage that are poor, no matter what. It's up to the rest of us to take care of them, that's our moral duty. The better we take care of them, the better people we are.

To try to ignore the poor or let them get by on mere scraps is simply greed, and that's what I think motivated Limbaugh to rip the Pope. I don't want to be the kind of person that's driven by greed. So I changed my leanings.
 
Peter Grimm said:
My political beliefs changed a lot about a month ago when the pope issued his papal exhortation in which he criticized unfettered capitalism and called upon the people and governments of the world to do more for the poor.

Ironically, I've always been a big Rush Limbaugh fan and it was on his show that I first heard about the pope's paper. As he was ripping in to the pope and demanding that he retract his statement, my heart and mind started to change.

Who is Rush Limbaugh to call out the pope like that? Conservatives are supposed to be the more religious type, but here is Limbaugh ripping up Christianity's #1 head hauncho.

At that point, I began to realize the pope was right. We pay lip service to being Christians, but we worship the almighty dollar. That started me down a road where I examined my own beliefs about free markets and the conclusion I came up with was that there will always be a certain percentage that are poor, no matter what. It's up to the rest of us to take care of them, that's our moral duty. The better we take care of them, the better people we are.

To try to ignore the poor or let them get by on mere scraps is simply greed, and that's what I think motivated Limbaugh to rip the Pope. I don't want to be the kind of person that's driven by greed. So I changed my leanings.
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Glad you found your sliver of humanity. I still care more about the XBox than a crack ho.

It just means I have one more thief to watch carefully while polishing my firearm.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Few people understand why the government quit issuing Gold and Silver Certificates.
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Not quite sure how to say this without being rude, but I'm surprised you don't make a lot more than you do because you're clearly very intelligent. You must be in the army, clergy, or something of that nature.

I'm just saying, not many minimum wage earners understand how our monetary system works. Hell, not many middle class americans understand it.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
It's a secret. I do get a pretty big check. Earned income credit, child tax credit and additional child tax credit. I'm not sure what the exact amount will be but it usually adds up to around $6,500 or so.

I'm not so sure everybody in this thread would agree with you. There are 5 people in particular that I believe would disagree with you.
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Your welcome.
 
If $7.25 is "a lot" of money, then yea everyone working on minimum wage is filthy ****ing rich!
And no its no where near a lot.
 
Gipper said:
Glad you found your sliver of humanity. I still care more about the XBox than a crack ho.

It just means I have one more thief to watch carefully while polishing my firearm.
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I don't believe that.
 
SMTA said:
Even more the reason for you to pint up your money.

Find someone locally who needs help, and use your money.

Don't hide behind others.
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You don't know how much I give, it's not your business. It's appropriate, on the other hand, to debate political leanings on a website such as this one.

Refer to...

Matthew. 6:2

2"So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
 
BretJ said:
The use of that money is the benefit of earning it through your labor. Whether it is "yours" or not, it is your right to spend it as you see fit because you earned the right to do so.
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That's correct, but the government also has the right to tax you.
 
Gipper said:
It's true. You won't see me sell off my belongings to buy a homeless man a blanket or food.

Guess I better pray for a microscopic camel, huh? That or one giant ass needle.
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The irony is that we're so unimaginably wealthy in this country that we could easily eliminate poverty altogether and nobody would have to sell off all their belongings or come anywhere close to doing that.

It will never happen, though.
 
Peter Grimm said:
The irony is that we're so unimaginably wealthy in this country that we could easily eliminate poverty altogether and nobody would have to sell off all their belongings or come anywhere close to doing that.

It will never happen, though.
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So 16 trillion is what...a Washington inside joke?
 
Gipper said:
So 16 trillion is what...a Washington inside joke?
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It's up over 17 trillion, and the national debt has nothing to do with income redistribution. Wealth is neither created nor destroyed, it's just moving from one pot to another.

In other words, it's not as if letting the millionaires and billionaires keep that extra 20 percent is going to pay down any of the national debt.
 
Peter Grimm said:
My political beliefs changed a lot about a month ago when the pope issued his papal exhortation in which he criticized unfettered capitalism and called upon the people and governments of the world to do more for the poor.

Ironically, I've always been a big Rush Limbaugh fan and it was on his show that I first heard about the pope's paper. As he was ripping in to the pope and demanding that he retract his statement, my heart and mind started to change.

Who is Rush Limbaugh to call out the pope like that? Conservatives are supposed to be the more religious type, but here is Limbaugh ripping up Christianity's #1 head hauncho.

At that point, I began to realize the pope was right. We pay lip service to being Christians, but we worship the almighty dollar. That started me down a road where I examined my own beliefs about free markets and the conclusion I came up with was that there will always be a certain percentage that are poor, no matter what. It's up to the rest of us to take care of them, that's our moral duty. The better we take care of them, the better people we are.

To try to ignore the poor or let them get by on mere scraps is simply greed, and that's what I think motivated Limbaugh to rip the Pope. I don't want to be the kind of person that's driven by greed. So I changed my leanings.
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It's a good heart that helps those in need. Those who follow Christ often do that very thing through their tithes and offerings. Or they volunteer their time to help others as it is a command of Jesus to his followers. However, Jesus did not command the governments the responsibility to care for the poor and downtrodden but his followers personally. And that is the rub. One way is done freely. The other through government is forced. Jesus also likes a joyful giver. Not too many folks I know are joyful being forced to pay for benefits of others when they already give to the needy. Jesus also taught personal responsibility for one's choices in life. Forgiveness is freely given, but that doesn't negate the consequences. The Scriptures tell us those not willing to work don't deserve to eat. Those who have been personally responsible should not be penalized for those who have not. And when the government forces them, it amounts to stealing.
 
Peter Grimm said:
The irony is that we're so unimaginably wealthy in this country that we could easily eliminate poverty altogether and nobody would have to sell off all their belongings or come anywhere close to doing that.

It will never happen, though.
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Not with people like you hiding behind everyone else to do your bidding.

Typical hypocrisy.
 
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