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Is minimum wage a lot?

Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot?


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Quite the opposite. You guys should have received a check in the mail for just over $10,000 to help you out.

I'm sure you worked hard and deserve to have spending money like everyone else.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040.pdf

According to the IRS someone with my income will receive $4,023.00 in earned income credit and $1,000 per child in child tax credit. My income is also to low to pay any federal income tax. I will be getting back $6,023 but I only paid in $0.00.

Please contact your congressmen and senators to let them know whether you agree or disagree with this practice.
 
No, it's called being humane. We have the money, so we have the responsibility to look out for the poor.

Nobody has stacks of money laying around.

How do you not comprehend this?
 
We're a wealthy country. We can afford to ensure a good standard of living for every one of our citizens.

Only children are truly entitled to a minimal living standard, and the guardians have the responsibility of fulfilling this entitlement, as well as providing for themselves. It's what makes an adult an adult (and this applies to virtually all species) -- the ability and will to meet its needs without relying on its parents or some other provider to feed and take care of it.

It's inhuman that you have CEO's making multi-million dollar salaries, you have investors making millions without doing anything at all, you have football players making millions, all while millions of Americans are living hand to mouth.

No it's not inhuman, it's a reflection of the right of the people to trade with one another.
 
By definition, it's minimal.
 
Then feel free to finance this yourself.

We need a 20% additional tax on millionaires and billionaires to completely fund it. It's ungodly how much these CEO's make.... trust me they can afford to have their salaries slashed by 20 percent so that the poorest Americans can live a decent life.
 
Earned Income Credit, child tax credit and additional child tax credit. Apparently Peter Grimm isn't the only one that thinks this. This was done by a majority of congress, majority of senators and supported by the president. The American people vote these people into office. This has been going on for decades. Where have you been?

Most of that I don't mind terribly. After all, EIC has a pretty low phase-out. CTC cuts out after 3 kids, doesn't pay much if you're really low income, and has a decent phase-out.

However, PG saying basically "double minimum wage for nothing" is actually laughable.
 
For the new parents that must turn to the state to pay their bills, it need not even be said, as it's self-evident.

Should they start checking with you before having children to save the world all these horrible problems that they are currently causing? Dear Neomalthusian, can I please have a kid? This is ridiculous. Surely you don't really believe you are God. Do you?
 
Should they start checking with you before having children to save the world all these horrible problems that they are currently causing? Dear Neomalthusian, can I please have a kid? This is ridiculous. Surely you don't really believe you are God. Do you?

Don't retreat to an appeal to ridicule. Children deserve to be taken care of, therefore it is irresponsible to create them before you obtain the means of caring (including providing) for them. It's really beyond argument.
 
We need a 20% additional tax on millionaires and billionaires to completely fund it. It's ungodly how much these CEO's make.... trust me they can afford to have their salaries slashed by 20 percent so that the poorest Americans can live a decent life.

Middle-class people "can afford" to have their salaries cut too. Let's just take everyone making 50K and tax them 10K. They can still live a "decent life".

Sorry, but I don't condone punishing success. Your view of millionaires comes off as nothing more than petty jealousy.
 
If the minimum wage went up, would "lazy" folks try harder to get a job, with the gap between unemployment and minimum wage larger ?
 
We need a 20% additional tax on millionaires and billionaires to completely fund it. It's ungodly how much these CEO's make.... trust me they can afford to have their salaries slashed by 20 percent so that the poorest Americans can live a decent life.

Then you can go to them personally and ask them for the money.

You tell them that YOU have decided that they are overpaid, and they need to give the money back.

Put your money where YOUR mouth is and use your own money to finance everyone else's pay increase.

Your money - not somebody else's money.
 
Only children are truly entitled to a minimal living standard, and the guardians have the responsibility of fulfilling this entitlement, as well as providing for themselves. It's what makes an adult an adult (and this applies to virtually all species) -- the ability and will to meet its needs without relying on its parents or some other provider to feed and take care of it.



No it's not inhuman, it's a reflection of the right of the people to trade with one another.

What is more precious, humanity or money? Every person needs to decide for themselves which of the two they value more. Human beings are social - we need each other to survive. There's not a single millionaire or billionaire that did it all on their own.

While there is no disputing capitalism's role in generating wealth, we need to acknowledge that if left unchecked, it creates huge disparities between the have's and have not's.

We need to manage that so that the wealth created by capitalism can benefit every human being.
 
Don't retreat to an appeal to ridicule. Children deserve to be taken care of, therefore it is irresponsible to create them before you obtain the means of caring (including providing) for them. It's really beyond argument.

Can you give an example of someone not providing for their children? Do you mean by letting them die of starvation? Do you mean by allowing your kids to sleep outside? Do you mean by having naked kids because you don't obtain clothes for them? I rarely hear of these things happening in the United States. I think people are taking care of their children. Have you really seen a kid go without in this country?
 
Then you can go to them personally and ask them for the money.

You tell them that YOU have decided that they are overpaid, and they need to give the money back.

Put your money where YOUR mouth is and use your own money to finance everyone else's pay increase.

Your money - not somebody else's money.

I'm not the government. What you're describing is the government's role, which in our case is elected.
 
What is more precious, humanity or money?

What on Earth kind of question is that? That has nothing to do with minimum wage analysis. We don't decide social and economic policies based on what's "precious."

Every person needs to decide for themselves which of the two they value more. Human beings are social - we need each other to survive. There's not a single millionaire or billionaire that did it all on their own.

No, they did it by trading with others, which people are and should be free to do.
 
I'm not the government. What you're describing is the government's role, which in our case is elected.

Typical bull****.

Your free to spend somebody else's money, but not yours.

Exactly what I figured.
 
Middle-class people "can afford" to have their salaries cut too. Let's just take everyone making 50K and tax them 10K. They can still live a "decent life".

Sorry, but I don't condone punishing success. Your view of millionaires comes off as nothing more than petty jealousy.

However my view of millionaires may come across, it's indisputable that taking $10,000 from someone making $50,000/yr is going to make a bigger impact on that person's life than taxing the top earners 20 percent.

Just so you know though, I come from a family of millionaires and am quite well off myself, so it's really not about jealousy at all.
 
Can you give an example of someone not providing for their children? Do you mean by letting them die of starvation? Do you mean by allowing your kids to sleep outside? Do you mean by having naked kids because you don't obtain clothes for them? I rarely hear of these things happening in the United States. I think people are taking care of their children. Have you really seen a kid go without in this country?

Whoa. This displays serious naiveté. Every state has child protective service agencies/departments and, as far as I've seen, they're usually swamped with reports of harm and neglect of children. Children are taken out of their parents' custody daily across the nation. The fact that welfare programs excuse millions of parents from having to directly provide for their children is not the same as overt abuse or neglect, but it's nonetheless somewhat of a failure of the parent to provide for the child. There is no good reason to continue producing children without the means to adequately care for them.
 
However my view of millionaires may come across, it's indisputable that taking $10,000 from someone making $50,000/yr is going to make a bigger impact on that person's life than taxing the top earners 20 percent.

Just so you know though, I come from a family of millionaires and am quite well off myself, so it's really not about jealousy at all.

Then, by all means, give of yourself. That's a better solution than your idea of legalized theft.
 
Typical bull****.

Your free to spend somebody else's money, but not yours.

Exactly what I figured.

If you elect somebody to do it. Thereotically you can vote for your elected officials. These elected officials can impose taxes on the citizenry. In theory it is possible to spend somebody else's money. It's indirectly but it can still be done.
 
Typical bull****.

Your free to spend somebody else's money, but not yours.

Exactly what I figured.

Who says it's their money? What does it say on a dollar bill? It says "United States of America."
 
Whoa. This displays serious naiveté. Every state has child protective service agencies/departments and, as far as I've seen, they're usually swamped with reports of harm and neglect of children. Children are taken out of their parents' custody daily across the nation. The fact that welfare programs excuse millions of parents from having to directly provide for their children is not the same as overt abuse or neglect, but it's nonetheless somewhat of a failure of the parent to provide for the child. There is no good reason to continue producing children without the means to adequately care for them.

They don't take kids away because their parent's income is too low.
 
If you elect somebody to do it. Thereotically you can vote for your elected officials. These elected officials can impose taxes on the citizenry. In theory it is possible to spend somebody else's money. It's indirectly but it can still be done.

That guy doesn't think we should pay taxes to Caesar.... he needs to read his bible.

Whose face is on the coin? Then render unto caesar.
 
That guy doesn't think we should pay taxes to Caesar.... he needs to read his bible.

Whose face is on the coin? Then render unto caesar.

I tried to explain this in another thread. It fell on deaf ears.

Dollars are printed by a printing press that belongs to the federal reserve. No dollars were given away. The dollars are loaned to the government. The government loans the money to the banks. The banks loan it to people.

All money belongs to the federal reserve. You don't have any money. Your lucky they don't ask for it back. This concludes my moral argument for the justification of the income tax system. :2bow:

Look on the back of your dollar. It says "Federal Reserve Note". It doesn't belong to you. You need to pay it back ASAP. Stop stealing something that never belonged to you. It is a medium of exchange to encourage commerce. Money can't be owned. Don't be so ridiculous.
 
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