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Is minimum wage a lot?

Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot?

  • Yes, give your general geographic location

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • No, give your general geographic location

    Votes: 37 88.1%
  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .
ernst barkmann said:
no ....liberals think with compassion, and feelings, and that is unless in law.
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:lamo You onviously have no clue. Do you think Bush interfered with the Schiavo case because it was the law? Or are you really going to call Bush - and all the other Christian Fundamentalists that blindly follow that ideal - liberal?
 
MoSurveyor said:
:lamo You onviously have no clue. Do you think Bush interfered with the Schiavo case because it was the law? Or are you really going to call Bush - and all the other Christian Fundamentalists that blindly follow that ideal - liberal?
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excuse me!......., why are you diverting the subject of the constitution and talking about bush, Christian Fundamentalists........this has nothing to do with the constitution and does it given authority over the people..i say it does not..you say i need to read the constitution.........since you have then, show me where in the constitution the federal government has authority over the people.
 
ernst barkmann said:
The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
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When states go back to being days - even weeks and months - apart we can revert to that system. Until then, many things today must fall under federal guidelines. Or would you to go back to a world where a people married in California can be jailed in Missouri for their marriage?
 
MoSurveyor said:
When states go back to being days - even weeks and months - apart we can revert to that system. Until then, many things today must fall under federal guidelines. Or would you to go back to a world where a people married in California can be jailed in Missouri for their marriage?
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again, ......show me where their is federal authority over the people in the constitution..your constant diversions..... are weak as usual.
 
ernst barkmann said:
excuse me!......., why are you diverting the subject of the constitution and talking about bush, Christian Fundamentalists........this has nothing to do with the constitution and does it given authority over the people..i say it does not..you say i need to read the constitution.........since you have then, show me where in the constitution the federal government has authority over the people.
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What I quoted of yours had nothing to do with the constitution. Better read it again.

That's the reason we have this neat little quote button to use - so others know on what we're commenting.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot of money?
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minimum wage is around $1200/month.

It depends. IF you are a single person just starting out, it is

If you are 40 and trying to support a family of 4, then it is not. but, then again, if you are 40 and still making minimum wage, you have other problems.
 
ernst barkmann said:
show them to me,...post them.

its simple you cant, all you do is refute me with your words and that is all, you can produce nothing.
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ernst barkmann said:
again, ......show me where their is federal authority over the people in the constitution..your constant diversions..... are weak as usual.
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Taxes. See I-8 for details on where the federal government gets that authority. Quit acting the fool.
 
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vasuderatorrent said:
Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot of money?
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Regarding this topic, I am going to quote another poster, Papa Bull. I wish I could have written this myself:

Papa bull said:
Here's how it works for us and every other living creature.

It's your life.
YOU are supposed to support it and provide the means to sustain it.
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MoSurveyor said:
What I quoted of yours had nothing to do with the constitution. Better read it again.

That's the reason we have this neat little quote button to use - so others know on what we're commenting.
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really ..was it not you who told me i need to read the constitution and then you spouted some ridiculous garbage of ..."I-8 holds a few examples and there are several others"

you have nothing to show to back up what you say...and its shows.
 
ernst barkmann said:
post what it says....then! post your findings
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"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes [snip] ..."


Can't think of a more obvious example of something no one wants to do than pay taxes - yet, there it is.

Quit acting the fool.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Yes, because everyone can just immediately uproot their lives and move somewhere else! And on top of that moving is 100% free!
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People need to have an emergency fund so they can make those moves when they are necessary. Living paycheck to paycheck is stupid.
 
MoSurveyor said:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes [snip]


Can't think of a more obvious example of something no one wants to do than that - yet, there it is. Quit acting the fool.
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

these listed are voluntary taxes...they are not compulsory taxes!
 
MoSurveyor said:
Nobody short of a Kennedy-type is "financially ready" to start a family. That's a simple-minded statement --- at best.
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Yep, your first sentence there is a simple minded statement at best.

There is a spectrum of financial readiness to start a family. Over the last few decades, the trend has been that the least financially prepared have the higher birth rates. That does not make a lot of sense in the grand scheme of things.
 
The problem with minimum wage is that it isn't really a 1-size fits all situation.

In some cases, a person might work a part-time job at minimum wage in order to earn some extra money.
In other cases, a person might work a full-time job at minimum wage, attempting to support a family, because they either can't or won't get a better job. In the former case, it sucks. In the latter case, they suck. Well you get the idea...................

One of the arguments I hear against raising the min wage involves it's impact on people just entering the job market - from an employeers perspective, why hire an untrained person for min wage when you can hire a more qualified person for min wage...
This might be different if the percentage of people able to but not working for one reason or another was lower than the approximately 15+ % it is now (I think?).
 
ernst barkmann said:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

these listed are voluntary taxes...they are not compulsory taxes!
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Good luck not paying taxes in today's world. Just finding a product that is 100% US in all materials and parts will be hard enough. Add in the 16th and discount the adjustments the IRS gives you and you pretty much have to be living in an institution and/or hospital to avoid all taxes, duties, imposts and excises.


Quit playing the fool, it's getting tiresome - but, I guess a person in your position has no other option. Reason can't work because your argument is irrational and factual foundation shaky at best.
 
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Neomalthusian said:
Yep, your first sentence there is a simple minded statement at best.

There is a spectrum of financial readiness to start a family. Over the last few decades, the trend has been that the least financially prepared have the higher birth rates. That does not make a lot of sense in the grand scheme of things.
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No one has a guarantied income except the rich, as many people found out in 2007-09, and even some that thought they were rich went under.


As for your "trend", you'll have to provide references for that statement. Historically, the only thing that have kept the poor from having larger families was their mortality rate. But I understand - you and others like you would like to return to those times. Personally, I think that's a rather barbaric ideal.
 
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Neomalthusian said:
Yep, your first sentence there is a simple minded statement at best.

There is a spectrum of financial readiness to start a family. Over the last few decades, the trend has been that the least financially prepared have the higher birth rates. That does not make a lot of sense in the grand scheme of things.
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If a person doesn't have his own business and he can't find any employment that pays more than minimum wage, I would consider it extremely unwise for that person to start a family. By doing so, he is placing his children at great risk.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Good luck not paying taxes in today's world. Just finding a product that is 100% US in all materials and parts will be hard enough. Add in the 16th and discount the adjustments the IRS gives you and you pretty much have to be living in an institution and/or hospital to avoid all taxes, duties, imposts and excises.


Quit playing the fool, it's getting tiresome - but, I guess a person in your position has no other option. Reason can't work because your argument is irrational and factual foundation shaky at best.
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it shows you no nothing of the constitution at all, the clause you tired to cite, are voluntary taxes......income is the 16th amendment, and government only has authority over you if you violate tax laws, ,they have no general authority.
 
ernst barkmann said:
it shows you no nothing of the constitution at all, the clause you tired to cite, are voluntary taxes......income is the 16th amendment, and government only has authority over you if you violate tax laws, ,they have no general authority.
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That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Someone says, "Do this or you'll be punished" - but they have no authority over you unless you don't do what they've said.

Do you even bother to read what you've written? :lamo
 
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MoSurveyor said:
That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Someone says, "Do this or you'll be punished" - but they have no authority over you unless you don't do what they've said.

Do you even bother to read what you've written? :lamo
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i stated general authority,congress .........if you violate a federal power, or federal law thats pertains to a federal power, or commit treason, the government can punish you, because the constitution states it, however they cannot make federal laws, which are not listed in article 1 section 8 over the people like discrimination laws ....for one.


if you counterfeit, you are violating a federal power

if you commit piracy, you are violating a federal law

if you dont pay income tax you are violating federal law

if you commit treason against the u.s....you can be punished by congress

all of these are listed in the constitution, other then these 4 the congress has no authority over the people


To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason

this means congress........not the executive branch
 
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Cephus said:
People need to have an emergency fund so they can make those moves when they are necessary. Living paycheck to paycheck is stupid.
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Because that's completely possible when you are working a minimum wage job.
 
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