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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's the fault of the people old enough to vote, not the politicians. They're just playing the game we want them to play ... but that discussion should probably be saved for another thread.
    I agree with you, the politicians are getting away with what the voters allow them to get away with. That doesn't make it right and the stupidity of the American voter and the dishonesty of the American politician is what's gotten us into the mess we're in.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That IS the whole point when part of that hypothesis includes the system-wide damages paying below minimum wage would precipitate.
    I understand that is your theory, but I don't agree.

    But people ARE getting hurt from it. System-wide economic damage, regardless of how small it may be for any one individual, is just as - if not more - harmful than identifiable damages to any one individual.
    But no individual is having his property taken from him or having his person damaged. There is no damage. None. There are simply no victims. There are only people who are not being paid what your theory says they ought to be paid, and you consider this "systemic damage". You're just making stuff up to support your position.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I agree with you, the politicians are getting away with what the voters allow them to get away with. That doesn't make it right and the stupidity of the American voter and the dishonesty of the American politician is what's gotten us into the mess we're in.
    Why are we stupid, though? I use "we" here to refer to the american people...

    I mean....what caused it? Or was it always the case? And if so....what does THAT mean?
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I understand that is your theory, but I don't agree.



    But no individual is having his property taken from him or having his person damaged. There is no damage. None. There are simply no victims. There are only people who are not being paid what your theory says they ought to be paid, and you consider this "systemic damage". You're just making stuff up to support your position.
    No inherent level of compensation for work done exists.

    We create artificial systems that provide such, but at a base level, there is no such requirement.

    The only really inherent requirement is what degree of threat an individual will accept in return for their labors.
    In one case it might be the threat of injury or death to themselves or their family/friends (slavery/forced labor).
    In another case, it might be the threat of reduced pay or firing (what we have in the US, for the most part).

    Laws were written to prevent the former. Laws may end up being written to prevent the latter, in time. I wonder what happens then? Back to the former, probably, just in a different guise...
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I understand that is your theory, but I don't agree.
    Then we'll agree to disagree.


    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    But no individual is having his property taken from him or having his person damaged. There is no damage. None. There are simply no victims. There are only people who are not being paid what your theory says they ought to be paid, and you consider this "systemic damage".
    It precipitates a race to the bottom where (virtually) everyone looses. That's what I call "damage", yes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    You're just making stuff up to support your position.
    Funny, I feel the same way about you and your green colored glasses where reality is ignored for the sake of unattainable idealism.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It precipitates a race to the bottom where (virtually) everyone looses. That's what I call "damage", yes.
    Even if that is true, and it's not, the fact would remain that to bring about that result no one would have to act towards the property or person of another.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Why are we stupid, though? I use "we" here to refer to the american people...

    I mean....what caused it? Or was it always the case? And if so....what does THAT mean?
    Lack of education, both formal and informal. Add that to a society that has made time an enemy and often prefers quantity over quality and, well, here we are!
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Even if that is true, and it's not, the fact would remain that to bring about that result no one would have to act towards the property or person of another.
    Sorry, this discussion isn't for someone who thinks it's OK to crap in their own front yard. I've already covered that aspect or didn't you bother to read those posts relating your mentality to the businessmen of the early 70's that whined about controls on pollution?
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Sorry, this discussion isn't for someone who thinks it's OK to crap in their own front yard. I've already covered that aspect or didn't you bother to read those posts relating your mentality to the businessmen of the early 70's that whined about controls on pollution?
    Sorry, but the thread is about minimum wage, not a long series of strawmen that you wish to build around it and pile up like a fort.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, but the thread is about minimum wage, not a long series of strawmen that you wish to build around it and pile up like a fort.
    We all understand in your world there are sewers open to a sky gray with pollution. It's exactly that mentality that makes your minarchist fantasies nothing but pipe dream.
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