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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    What do you think my punishment should be for 2011 & 2012 since I didn't do what I ought to do?
    you should be forced to come onto an internet forum and whine about it on a daily basis.....
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Here is my income for the last 11 years.
    2003 $14,269.09
    2004 $17,540.55
    2005 $23,082.84
    2006 $22,486.64
    2007 $23,108.60
    2008 $26,400.05
    2009 $24,666.34
    2010 $22,204.23
    2011 $11,859.24
    2012 $12,664.64
    2013 $15,832.92

    What do you think my punishment should be for 2011 & 2012 since I didn't do what I ought to do? I earned less than minimum wage times 2,080 for those 2 years.

    Any suggestions on the punishment that I should be forced to endure?

    What else can you say with absolutely certainty based upon this data?
    For the last time, because I've explained this over and over and over again and you people don't seem to be able to get it through your heads and keep throwing out these same old straw men, I'm specifically talking about people who have *NEVER* earned more than minimum wage because they have no job skills, no education, etc. I am not talking about people who, through no fault of their own, had problems when the economy tanked.

    So please, enough straw men.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Well, I disagree with your economic theory, but that's not the point.
    That IS the whole point when part of that hypothesis includes the system-wide damages paying below minimum wage would precipitate.


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    The point is that the initiation of violence is not justified, and force ought only to be used in response to acts that damage the person and property of others. For the government to punish people for not paying some desired wage is, in itself, and initiation of aggression, since the wage payer has not damaged any person or any person's property.
    But people ARE getting hurt from it. System-wide economic damage, regardless of how small it may be for any one individual, is just as - if not more - harmful than identifiable damages to any one individual.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I am not talking about people who, through no fault of their own, had problems when the economy tanked.
    You have no way of knowing if it was my fault or not. This is the only data that you get. It would be chaotic to have laws that legislated motives. There is plenty of gray area to define someone as a scum bag. Some people might consider all people to be scum bags. The law has to be in black and white. If you are going to punish one person for making a low income then you will have to punish all persons for making a low income.

    That's why we have the rules that we do. Government officials have to make laws logically. The government can't just go after a group of people they hate to satisfy their own egotistical fantasies.

    Does that make any sense to you? You have to punish people who do bad things fairly and justly.

    P.S. I don't think making a low income is criminal activity.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you should be forced to come onto an internet forum and whine about it on a daily basis.....
    Does this apply to all people making less than $15,080 per year? Does it apply to less people? Does it apply to more people? Who would be subjected to this punishment?

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    You have no way of knowing if it was my fault or not. This is the only data that you get. It would be chaotic to have laws that legislated motives. There is plenty of gray area to define someone as a scum bag. Some people might consider all people to be scum bags. The law has to be in black and white. If you are going to punish one person for making a low income then you will have to punish all persons for making a low income.
    No, I don't know and I don't care. I've already made it clear what kinds of people I was talking about, if you fit into that category, then I'm talking about you. If not, then I'm not. This isn't about motives, it's about the expectations that a healthy society needs to have. We need to have the expectation that everyone is going to be personally and financially responsible for their own lives. We do not currently have that expectation because we live in a largely liberalized country where responsibility is a dirty word. That needs to change.

    That's why we have the rules that we do. Government officials have to make laws logically. The government can't just go after a group of people they hate to satisfy their own egotistical fantasies.
    Yet they don't and we all know it. They make laws that appeal to their voter base so they continue to get elected. We no longer have legislators who act in the best interests of the country.

    P.S. I don't think making a low income is criminal activity.
    No one said it was. However, being irresponsible ought to hurt people, such that they learn not to continue being irresponsible. Under our current system, being irresponsible gets one rewarded with a government check.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Under our current system, being irresponsible gets one rewarded with a government check.
    Did you get this information from Rush Limbaugh or do actually know how welfare programs work? A lot of this crap is severely exagerrated.

    If you could get rich by being poor, you would have already done it by now. The notion is completely ludicrous. Our country would have already collapsed if it worked this way.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Did you get this information from Rush Limbaugh or do actually know how welfare programs work? A lot of this crap is severely exagerrated.

    If you could get rich by being poor, you would have already done it by now. The notion is completely ludicrous. Our country would have already collapsed if it worked this way.

    Ignore me. Tune it to Rush Limbaugh from 12pm-3pm every day Monday thru Friday.
    As I understand the....narrative?...it runs something like this:

    If you have no job or make less than a certain amount, the Gov will support you by giving you monies - this equates to rewarding people for not working and/or working less.

    I don't think anyone ever claimed you could become rich by being poor.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yet they don't and we all know it. They make laws that appeal to their voter base so they continue to get elected. We no longer have legislators who act in the best interests of the country.
    That's the fault of the people old enough to vote, not the politicians. They're just playing the game we want them to play ... but that discussion should probably be saved for another thread.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Did you get this information from Rush Limbaugh or do actually know how welfare programs work? A lot of this crap is severely exagerrated.

    If you could get rich by being poor, you would have already done it by now. The notion is completely ludicrous. Our country would have already collapsed if it worked this way.
    No one says you can be rich, but you certainly won't die by being poor and there are lots of people who are too lazy to go out and better their own lives and are satisfied by having their hands out instead of bettering themselves.

    Ignore me. Tune it to Rush Limbaugh from 12pm-3pm every day Monday thru Friday.
    No thanks. In fact, Rush just moved his show from the talk station I listen to so now I don't have to avoid the blowhard.
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