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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Even in your narrow-minded scenario the only property that needs "protecting" is the means of production - and that only needs protecting from damage and destruction. If it's not destroyed then whoever takes it can still use it for production. Doesn't matter which carpenter wields the hammer, the nail will still get driven into the board.


    Tell it to Ayn Rand and her disciples ...




    Which requires phone access - another monopoly in many areas. Take your pick of which monopoly you prefer.
    No, it requires a satellite dish.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Society as a whole is being damaged, just as it is with pollution. You can't pin either down to one person/one cause but the damage as a whole is still there.
    No person in society is damaged. It is a victimless crime.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No, it requires a satellite dish.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No, it requires a satellite dish.
    Not 10 years ago when I looked into that option - it took a phone line.


    For that matter, I can't see anyone stringing up parallel phone lines in many places in the country even if they had the option. It still leaves one company for the one-horse towns and I doubt that will ever change - not enough of a market to justify competition.


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    You do realize the Fed had to actually finance electrical power lines in many parts of the country? The power companies weren't stopping at every little town even when they got close with a high-voltage (transmission) line because it wasn't worth the investment to provide service to them.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No person in society is damaged. It is a victimless crime.
    Just like pollution virtually everyone is damaged. There's just no way to prove individual damage from an individual source.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Just like pollution virtually everyone is damaged. There's just no way to prove individual damage from an individual source.
    Actually you're wrong. Nobody has their body or property damaged being paid below a given wage. Nobody. Not one single person.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Even in your narrow-minded scenario the only property that needs "protecting" is the means of production - and that only needs protecting from damage and destruction. If it's not destroyed then whoever takes it can still use it for production. Doesn't matter which carpenter wields the hammer, the nail will still get driven into the board.
    Hm, well I guess we have differing definitions of capitalism, so I can't say I support capitalism as understood by you. If you consider a society in which nobody has property rights and in which the strong may legally take the property of the weak to be capitalism, well then I will go on records as saying that I most certainly don't support such a society.

    I am in favor of a society with a legal institution of property and ownership, with laws that protect property from theft, damage, and various other violations. I am in favor of a society with contract law, so that property can be legally transferred from one party to another.

    I certainly don't support a society where "might makes right" is an accepted mode of personal interaction.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Like I keep saying, many of these people working minimum wage jobs have no business doing so, they are only working them because they have failed to be responsible their entire lives. Other than for reasons entirely beyond one's control, no adult ought to be working a minimum wage job.
    Here is my income for the last 11 years.
    2003 $14,269.09
    2004 $17,540.55
    2005 $23,082.84
    2006 $22,486.64
    2007 $23,108.60
    2008 $26,400.05
    2009 $24,666.34
    2010 $22,204.23
    2011 $11,859.24
    2012 $12,664.64
    2013 $15,832.92

    What do you think my punishment should be for 2011 & 2012 since I didn't do what I ought to do? I earned less than minimum wage times 2,080 for those 2 years.

    Any suggestions on the punishment that I should be forced to endure?

    What else can you say with absolutely certainty based upon this data?

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Actually you're wrong. Nobody has their body or property damaged being paid below a given wage. Nobody. Not one single person.
    Nothing like a race to the bottom to turn us into a third world country ...
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Nothing like a race to the bottom to turn us into a third world country ...
    Well, I disagree with your economic theory, but that's not the point. The point is that the initiation of violence is not justified, and force ought only to be used in response to acts that damage the person and property of others. For the government to punish people for not paying some desired wage is, in itself, and initiation of aggression, since the wage payer has not damaged any person or any person's property.

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