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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    'A lot' can mean anything and is extremely subjective.

    Can most world citizen's that have a full time job doing the most simplistic of tasks that usually requires zero training/experience; receive sufficient pay from this one job to live above the poverty line?

    Probably not.

    So yes, relative to the world, I believe it is a (relatively) lot.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So, another person who simply will not define what percentage of your income reaches the golden line of "ready". Is a couple who has $600 left over for leisure after $1,600 in expenses financially ready to have kids when raising a kids can easily cost $1,000 a month? What factors define financially ready? It will save you 10 pages of bull****ting if you just say "Look, financially ready is a term we've made up because we haven't actually raised children. We just know it's not attainable by the middle class or the lower middle class or the lower class once it's defined."
    It's not my call to tell someone else when or whether he ought to have children. That decision is his to make, not mine.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You've been doing it this entire thread and in many others as well. I call your theories Dreamland.
    You're making stuff up. I haven't offered any economic theories in this thread.

    Try reading a history book.
    That won't identify anyone whose person or property is assaulted or damaged by the act of offering to pay below a fixed price. There is no identifiable victim, which makes it victimless crime. It is unethical for the government to punish someone for an act that results in no identifiable victim, since such punishment is, in fact, an initiation of aggression.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Doesn't require a legal system, just the social recognition. It might be recognized by law but that's not a requirement.

    If Might Makes Right is the social system then it's quite acceptable as means of determining ownership - no laws required. I'm sure there were many situations of communal ownership long before there were laws to address the idea.
    Nope, ownership means one has the enforceable right to use something. It does not simply mean one "has" something.

    I can easily see Intel and AMD combining together 10 years ago to control the CPU market. Not even a stretch of the imagination.
    Yet you can't point to any real example other than in your imagination.

    Yawn - same song, same error.

    Which in no way stops a capitalist society from practicing it.
    Capitalism can't exist in the absence of secure property rights and individual liberty. What you refer to as "unfettered capitalism" is really lawless chaos, and your use of the term is disingenuous.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Do you mean he started the job at minimum wage when he was 18 and kept the same job at minimum wage for an additional 22+ years? That sounds like a stable person to me.
    you misspelled "stagnant"
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you misspelled "stagnant"
    Does the employer really care if this employee is labelled stagnant by group A or labelled stable by group B?

    Group B gets to enjoy a warm fuzzy by seeing a person who is dedicated to their job. Group A gets to satisfy their desire for superiority by seeing someone earning a lower wage than them. The employee enjoys a predictable life with an income to feed his family. The employer gets a cheap, reliable employee. Everybody wins.

    Why are you so angry at this employee? What harm does he/she cause to you?

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Does the employer really care if this employee is labelled stagnant by group A or labelled stable by group B?

    Group B gets to enjoy a warm fuzzy by seeing a person who is dedicated to their job. Group A gets to satisfy their desire for superiority by seeing someone earning a lower wage than them. The employee enjoys a predictable life with an income to feed his family. The employer gets a cheap, reliable employee. Everybody wins.

    Why are you so angry at this employee? What harm does he/she cause to you?
    what makes you think I have any anger towards him? I just don't have any sympathy for him when he whines about how working for minimum wage isn't "fair" or that we need to raise minimum wage.

    If you are happy working the same minimum wage job for 30 years, fine. If you are not, do something to make yourself qualified to do something more. Don't sit around and bitch about minimum wage being too low.

    but seriously, what kind of person works for 30 years and is still only making minimum wage? even ****ty jobs like mickey Ds or being a janitor give you raises after you've been there a while.

    The only people around my age I know that are still working minimum wage are those who can't hold a job, so they hop from one crappy job to another every couple of months and have to start back at the bottom.

    I go to church with a lady, my age (around 50), who dropped out of high school when she was 16. never finished, never went to college, never did any other kind of training. She's been working at LOWES for the last 20+ years. worked her way up to dept. manager and makes around $16/hr.

    it's like I said. If you are 40 and have been working at the same job for 20 years and are still only making minimum wage, you have issues.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I go to church with a lady, my age (around 50), who dropped out of high school when she was 16. never finished, never went to college, never did any other kind of training. She's been working at LOWES for the last 20+ years. worked her way up to dept. manager and makes around $16/hr.

    it's like I said. If you are 40 and have been working at the same job for 20 years and are still only making minimum wage, you have issues.
    I don't know if I've said this here before or not, but I moved into my current house 14 years ago. At the local Walmart, there are cashiers who have been there since before I moved in. They were bottom-level cashiers then, they are bottom-level cashiers now. They had no customer service skills then, they have none now. They're slow, stupid, rude and frankly, I have no idea why they still have jobs. In another 14 years, they'll probably still be bottom-level cashiers. Should I feel sorry for any of them because they make crappy wages? No. They did it to themselves.

    Seriously, if you're still doing the same job in even 5 years, something is wrong. Everyone should strive to be upwardly mobile.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't know if I've said this here before or not, but I moved into my current house 14 years ago. At the local Walmart, there are cashiers who have been there since before I moved in. They were bottom-level cashiers then, they are bottom-level cashiers now. They had no customer service skills then, they have none now. They're slow, stupid, rude and frankly, I have no idea why they still have jobs. In another 14 years, they'll probably still be bottom-level cashiers. Should I feel sorry for any of them because they make crappy wages? No. They did it to themselves.

    Seriously, if you're still doing the same job in even 5 years, something is wrong. Everyone should strive to be upwardly mobile.
    I saw it in the National Guard all the time, back in the day. 45-50 y/o guys who were still E4s. been in the guard for 25 years and been promoted once or twice. sit around every drill complaining because they had to do all the **** work. but they refuse to go to any NCO prep courses, refuse to go to any schools, etc, etc, etc.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I saw it in the National Guard all the time, back in the day. 45-50 y/o guys who were still E4s. been in the guard for 25 years and been promoted once or twice. sit around every drill complaining because they had to do all the **** work. but they refuse to go to any NCO prep courses, refuse to go to any schools, etc, etc, etc.
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