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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    He owns it if his society recognizes it. In the end that's all that ownership really is, a recognition that an object is controlled by a given person or entity.
    Uh, yeah. That's what I just said. Ownership is NOT the same as simply having something. Ownership is a legally recognized right to have something.

    Without ownership, capitalism (private OWNERSHIP of the means of production) cannot exist. It is predicated on the legal concept of ownership.

    Ownership can just as easily be determined by physical power or some other attribute as by legal power - it all depends on the society. Your definition is provincial at best but unrealistic is closer to the mark.
    Nope. Ownership is a legal right, and can only be determined legally, not by might makes right.

    What a load! LOL! Be thankful we don't allow monopolies.

    Wrong! Though I'm sure you MUST see it that way or all is lost. LOL!
    I duly note your failure to provide any example of a company that has eliminated all it's competition and achieved monopoly status.

    Ownership does not depend on a legal framework.
    You once again display your ignorance. Ownership is a collection of legal rights to use and enjoy property, including the right to transmit it to others.

    You mean England beat us to the punch? - America wasn't a capitalist society until 1860-something?!?
    What a load of horsecrap!
    Slavery is a violation of a person's ownership rights in his own body.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'd say that if you can care for your family, keep a roof over your head and food on the table and not have your hand out to the government, you're probably okay.
    Some people that are eligible for government assistance do not accept it on grounds of pride.

    Some people that are eligible for government assistance do not accept it on grounds of fear of the government knowing their business.

    Some people that are eligible for government assistance don't even need it but they accept it just to be richer than they already are.

    Some people that are eligible for government assistance think they will die without government assistance.

    If I put $300 in my left hand and $0 in my right and let people pick which one they wanted, most people would pick the left hand.

    Nobody has their hand out to grab government benefits. Please redirect your passionate hate for the poor at a more reasonable culprit. Please redirect your passionate hate towards the politicians who create these programs. Otherwise you end up looking very silly and we surely don't want that.

    You should always give credit where credit is due. Blaming government beneficiaries for decision made by congress is very misdirected. Please use a brain at your earliest convenience. If you don't have a brain, borrow one from a friend just to analyze why government programs exist.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if you are 40 and STILL making minimum wage..... the implication here is that you started at minimum wage and are STILL there.
    Do you mean he started the job at minimum wage when he was 18 and kept the same job at minimum wage for an additional 22+ years? That sounds like a stable person to me.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I understand that there is a difference between a 40 y/o who gets laid off from a good job and has to work minimum wage and a 40 y/o who has never done anything except work for minimum wage

    Do you?
    No. You probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference if you looked at them. They also both make the same amount of money. They both meet the same eligibility requirements for social services. What is different about the two? Nope. I don't see any difference at all unless one of them start rambling to me about their past. Otherwise, no. They are both exactly in the same boat. One might be happier than the other statistically speaking but in general you wouldn't know the difference between these two people.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yawn.

    Of course you don't recognize the ramifications of the commerce clause in the modern world. You're still living in 1789.
    and your not interested the following supreme law

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're speaking like a man who doesn't have a family of his own. What does financially ready mean in your world? A house paid in full? A car paid in full?
    Relatively speaking, that is a great start. For the record, this is exactly what my wife and I did (except we have two cars). We didn't even contemplate having kids until certain things like that were accomplished.

    Say for example that you have about $500 left over after paying all of your monthly expenses not including a kid. Is that enough to raise a kid on? Laughable really. Financially ready as a condition for having kids is nowhere near as subjective as minimum wage. You need a certain amount of money just to have kids and what if you don't have it? Then are you're not financially ready?
    There is a spectrum of financial readiness as vast as the spectrum of household debts and incomes. You asking me to draw lines in the sand about it doesn't negate my comment that having children before establishing financial and lifestyle security is not smart.

    Good luck finding anybody in the middle class who is financially ready to have a kid then. Yourself included.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Relatively speaking, that is a great start. For the record, this is exactly what my wife and I did (except we have two cars). We didn't even contemplate having kids until certain things like that were accomplished.

    There is a spectrum of financial readiness as vast as the spectrum of household debts and incomes. You asking me to draw lines in the sand about it doesn't negate my comment that having children before establishing financial and lifestyle security is not smart.

    Your refusal to define what "financially ready" is very telling. The fact that you resort to meaningless anecdotal evidence that isn't relevant to actual economic conditions is far more telling. "Financially ready" is in the same group of terms that mean nothing. If I were you, I'd be worried to be in the same company as "fair & balanced" and "living wage". Face it, there are so many factors that declaring 1 couple financially ready while another not is a wide brush statement that doesn't hold much water when applied to the real world.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your refusal to define what "financially ready" is very telling. The fact that you resort to meaningless anecdotal evidence that isn't relevant to actual economic conditions is far more telling. "Financially ready" is in the same group of terms that mean nothing. If I were you, I'd be worried to be in the same company as "fair & balanced" and "living wage". Face it, there are so many factors that declaring 1 couple financially ready while another not is a wide brush statement that doesn't hold much water when applied to the real world.
    It's undeniable that there is nothing intelligent about starting a family before you've figured out how you'll provide for it. Specific cutoffs aren't needed for that statement to be valid. That's the basic reality this all boils down to and it's hard to rail against basic realities, although I see you're trying.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's undeniable that there is nothing intelligent about starting a family before you've figured out how you'll provide for it. Specific cutoffs aren't needed for that statement to be valid. That's the basic reality this all boils down to and it's hard to rail against basic realities, although I see you're trying.
    3 posts and you still won't define financially ready? I didn't think you could either. Here's an easy way to define it: A couple living on $3,000 a month, are they "financially ready" to have children in a city like New York? After that: what about a couple living on $1,500 a month in West Virginia? Are they financially ready to have a family? Come on Neomalthusian, own up to those statements about "financially ready"? You're sounding like you don't actually have a family of your own when you duck and dodge
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    3 posts and you still won't define financially ready? I didn't think you could either. Here's an easy way to define it: A couple living on $3,000 a month, are they "financially ready" to have children in a city like New York? After that: what about a couple living on $1,500 a month in West Virginia? Are they financially ready to have a family? Come on Neomalthusian, own up to those statements about "financially ready"? You're sounding like you don't actually have a family of your own when you duck and dodge
    Here's how it works: It's your life, and you are supposed to support it and provide the means to sustain it.

    So...every person must decide for himself when he feels he is ready to have children.

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