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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We're a wealthy country. We can afford to ensure a good standard of living for every one of our citizens.

    It's inhuman that you have CEO's making multi-million dollar salaries, you have investors making millions without doing anything at all, you have football players making millions, all while millions of Americans are living hand to mouth.
    I think you should start with the Hollywood crowd.

    If there is any group of people that did not earn their money, it is them.

    Please let us know how that works out when you demand they turn over 90% of what they make to give to poor people.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Who says it's their money? What does it say on a dollar bill? It says "United States of America."
    Are you of the opinion that any property inside the United States belongs to everybody?

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    My political beliefs changed a lot about a month ago when the pope issued his papal exhortation in which he criticized unfettered capitalism and called upon the people and governments of the world to do more for the poor.

    Ironically, I've always been a big Rush Limbaugh fan and it was on his show that I first heard about the pope's paper. As he was ripping in to the pope and demanding that he retract his statement, my heart and mind started to change.

    Who is Rush Limbaugh to call out the pope like that? Conservatives are supposed to be the more religious type, but here is Limbaugh ripping up Christianity's #1 head hauncho.

    At that point, I began to realize the pope was right. We pay lip service to being Christians, but we worship the almighty dollar. That started me down a road where I examined my own beliefs about free markets and the conclusion I came up with was that there will always be a certain percentage that are poor, no matter what. It's up to the rest of us to take care of them, that's our moral duty. The better we take care of them, the better people we are.

    To try to ignore the poor or let them get by on mere scraps is simply greed, and that's what I think motivated Limbaugh to rip the Pope. I don't want to be the kind of person that's driven by greed. So I changed my leanings.
    So in the past month what have you changed in your personal life to be able to help the poor?

    Did you sell your house to find a small apartment to save money?

    Did you sell your second and third car?

    All that money can be given to the poor.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The irony is that we're so unimaginably wealthy in this country that we could easily eliminate poverty altogether and nobody would have to sell off all their belongings or come anywhere close to doing that.

    It will never happen, though.
    Do you know what the definition of the word poverty is?

    There is nobody living in poverty in the US.

    If somebody does not have a house there are programs for that.

    if somebody does not have food there are programs for that.

    There is no poverty in the US.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think an exception should be made for teens with summer jobs, they should continue to make the current salary.
    If that is the case I will only hire teens for my minimum wage jobs, assuming I had any.

    Is that what you want?

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong nothing.......if i own a business , it is for me the business owner to choose how much is paid...not governments.
    If you are not paying your workers enough to live off and those workers are working full time then it is most certainly the government's job to tell you how much you have have to pay someone.

    as a business owner ,it is my property.....property is a right....not a privilege.....and commerce is also a right.
    Regulating Commerce is the government's right.


    how many people do you know who love being told by the government......"you WILL do this"?
    No one loves being told you will do this.At the same time reasonable people do not want anarchy.


    you seem , to want to use the power of government to apply force to people........which will in time, amount to more and more, and causes government to fail.......force is never the answer is a free society.

    this is why i argue with conservatives sometimes......becuase they act like liberals....becuase they want government force applied on people ,.......if they think its right.....using their feelings and compassion, to be their judge for them.....which is a mistake.
    Sometimes force is necessary.Its why we have the laws we have now.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Much like a child being told by an adult, for their own good that they have to act responsibly. Limitations certainly exist, but if you are going to get into a hissy fit each time the government instructs businesses how to conduct themselves, good luck finding much out there that will please.
    when i argue, its not based on my feelings, but what the constitution says, and the federal government has no authority in the life's liberty and property of the people..... that is a state power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's not singularly an entry level pay grade to have an entry level pay grade. Its purpose is most importantly to allow citizens to live off of it.
    it is not designed to have a family live off that wage...so we agree to disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Or rather, you are the liberal for shrugging off that much of your European conservative principles of noblesse oblige.
    no ....liberals think with compassion, and feelings, and that is unless in law.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you are not paying your workers enough to live off and those workers are working full time then it is most certainly the government's job to tell you how much you have have to pay someone.


    Regulating Commerce is the government's right.




    No one loves being told you will do this.At the same time reasonable people do not want anarchy.




    Sometimes force is necessary.Its why we have the laws we have now.

    federalist 45--The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

    The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

    the federal government was given the power of commerce AMONG the states, not inside them.......this was to solve trade wars and trade barriers between states, which happened during the articles of confederation..

    there is no power of FORCE IN THE CONSTITUTION, that is given to congress over the people the founders created.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot? (ConUS)

    That deserves a 3/3 ...
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot of money?
    Relatively speaking the world over, yes. But that's a poor way of viewing it.

    Relatively speaking to the national average regarding finances? No.

    But then the question is "Should it be". Personally, the minimum wage any particular task should be paid is not something that should qualify as "a lot of money" in my book.

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