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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Hasn't been struck down yet.
    the constitution of the founders applied no force to the people....

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    Uh, nein.
    ok, i will rephrase, it is looked at as an entry level wage.

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    No, it was designed so as to provide a safe wage to workers, accounting for a cost of living.
    what is safe........[subjective]

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    So, when they were drafting this legislation in '38, this bared no thought whatsoever?
    this these were ideas were to help people get elected, many socialist ideas, federal and state were put forth during the 1930's...during america's worst decade.

    and are still a tool today to buy votes.............today's new tool name --> income equality

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution of the founders applied no force to the people....
    I am not entirely certain where you are going with this. Are you suggesting there was no force put on to the people in the form of regulations? If so, you would be far mistaken. In regard to the Constitutionality of the minimum wage, it is the duty of the Courts to make that determination (along with the populace to drive a test case forward). As there has been no interest, aside from a minority of libertarians on this matter, any pontification about the unconstitutionality of the minimum wage are null and void of merit.


    ok, i will rephrase, it is looked at as an entry level wage.
    Meant to sustain cost of living.

    what is safe........[subjective]
    Indeed, which is why Perkins and her advisers sought to make that determination in the first place, right?


    this these were ideas were to help people get elected, many socialist ideas, federal and state were put forth during the 1930's...during america's worst decade.

    and are still a tool today to buy votes.............today's new tool name --> income equality
    So you are thereby admitting that families were a concern for the legislation in 1938, thereby making your previous statement completely and utterly inaccurate? By all means, make the ultimately hopeless argument that the minimum wage is a horrible, evil concept, but let's not pretend you were in any way on the right track with your arguments.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I am not entirely certain where you are going with this. Are you suggesting there was no force put on to the people in the form of regulations? If so, you would be far mistaken. In regard to the Constitutionality of the minimum wage, it is the duty of the Courts to make that determination (along with the populace to drive a test case forward). As there has been no interest, aside from a minority of libertarians on this matter, any pontification about the unconstitutionality of the minimum wage are null and void of merit.
    the constitution applies no force to the people and it gave no power to the federal government to apply force to "we the people"

    all federal laws, which can be made that pertain the delegated powers of congress, and those powers, have nothing to do with the personal life's of the people.

    federalist 45--"The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State"

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    Meant to sustain cost of living.
    not for a family of 4.

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    Indeed, which is why Perkins and her advisers sought to make that determination in the first place, right?
    i never knew government was empowered to make decisions, for the people concerning their personal life's?........which they are not

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So you are thereby admitting that families were a concern for the legislation in 1938, thereby making your previous statement completely and utterly inaccurate? By all means, make the ultimately hopeless argument that the minimum wage is a horrible, evil concept, but let's not pretend you were in any way on the right track with your arguments.
    no i said, people were elected becuase they created ideas, of giving things to the people in their interest, and people will always work, look for things which are in their interest at the expense of laws, and other people.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Once Rush Limbaugh proclaimed that a person can make any income that they want to make. It only takes 10 year of preparation. If a person wants to make $250,000, start preparing now and that person will be there in 10 years. If a person wants to make less it won't take as long. On June 14, 2010 a specific person that earns $16,302 per year made the goal of obtaining an income of $31,200 within by June 14, 2015. This seems to be a realistic goal but is it even a worthwhile goal? If this person's income increases by $14,898 this person's lifestyle doesn't change. Here are the facts conveniently located in this post for easy comparison. The numbers are based upon 2013 federal tax law and 2013 North Carolina tax law. See data below:

    Current situation
    Salary $16,302.00
    Spouse's salary $13,500.00
    Social security tax $1,937.13
    Medicare tax $432.13
    Federal tax $0.00
    Additional child tax credit $2,000.00
    Earned income credit $3,907.00
    North Carolina income tax $830.00
    NC Child tax credit $200.00
    NC Earned Income Credit $175.82
    Total cash received $32,885.62
    Food Stamp benefit $1,008.00
    Total economic value $33,893.62

    Desired situation
    Salary $31,200.00
    Spouse's salary $13,500.00
    Social security tax $2,771.40
    Medicare tax $648.15
    Federal tax $0.00
    Additional child tax credit $307.00
    Earned income credit $0.00
    North Carolina income tax $1,798.00
    NC Child tax credit $200.00
    NC Earned Income Credit $0.00
    Total cash received $39,989.45
    Food Stamp benefit $0.00
    Total economic value $39,989.45

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ok, i will rephrase, it is looked at as an entry level wage.
    Who looked at it that way? The people opposed to minimum wage and the people opposed to minimum wage increases?



    and are still a tool today to buy votes.............today's new tool name --> income equality
    Everything an elected official campaigns on is to buy votes.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Who looked at it that way? The people opposed to minimum wage and the people opposed to minimum wage increases?
    anyone who believe in free markets, and right of property and liberty, are opposed to minimum wage.

    when a person enters the job market for the first time, they have no experience, ....also in being responsible and dependable to an employer.

    minimum wage, is the starting ladder of working in the private sector.

    i started working for a little over 2 dollars {minimum wage] on my first job, and have never worked for that wage again, as i have had more jobs and gained more experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Everything an elected official campaigns on is to buy votes.
    100%..yes.

    and its being done in the name of fairness, by pitting one citizen against another.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    To the OP minimum wage is a lot if you have nothing else. If you have nothing at all and need something to survive it can be a real hindrance too.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    anyone who believe in free markets, and right of property and liberty, are opposed to minimum wage.
    Wrong.The only people opposed to minimum wage and minimum wage increases are those opposed to minimum wage and minimum wage increases. Property rights, free markets and liberty are irreverent to minimum wage.


    minimum wage, is the starting ladder of working in the private sector.
    Wrong again. Minimum wage is the lowest amount an employer can legally get away with paying someone.Nothing more nothing less.Trying to paint it as some sort of training wage is a blatant lie used as a talking point by people against minimum wage and minimum wage increases.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Wrong.The only people opposed to minimum wage and minimum wage increases are those opposed to minimum wage and minimum wage increases. Property rights, free markets and liberty are irreverent to minimum wage.
    wrong nothing.......if i own a business , it is for me the business owner to choose how much is paid...not governments.

    as a business owner ,it is my property.....property is a right....not a privilege.....and commerce is also a right.

    how many people do you know who love being told by the government......"you WILL do this"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Wrong again. Minimum wage is the lowest amount an employer can legally get away with paying someone.Nothing more nothing less.Trying to paint it as some sort of training wage is a blatant lie used as a talking point by people against minimum wage and minimum wage increases.
    no... as an employer hiring someone with no experience, in a low skill low, low responsibility position, i going to start them out at the minimum....when the minimum wage is raised, all other wages have to come up to compensate those who have more experience, responsibility, and longer work record.

    you seem , to want to use the power of government to apply force to people........which will in time, amount to more and more, and causes government to fail.......force is never the answer is a free society.

    this is why i argue with conservatives sometimes......becuase they act like liberals....becuase they want government force applied on people ,.......if they think its right.....using their feelings and compassion, to be their judge for them.....which is a mistake.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong nothing.......if i own a business , it is for me the business owner to choose how much is paid...not governments.

    as a business owner ,it is my property.....property is a right....not a privilege.....and commerce is also a right.

    how many people do you know who love being told by the government......"you WILL do this"?
    Much like a child being told by an adult, for their own good that they have to act responsibly. Limitations certainly exist, but if you are going to get into a hissy fit each time the government instructs businesses how to conduct themselves, good luck finding much out there that will please.

    no... as an employer hiring someone with no experience, in a low skill low, low responsibility position, i going to start them out at the minimum....when the minimum wage is raised, all other wages have to come up to compensate those who have more experience, responsibility, and longer work record.
    It's not singularly an entry level pay grade to have an entry level pay grade. Its purpose is most importantly to allow citizens to live off of it.

    you seem , to want to use the power of government to apply force to people........which will in time, amount to more and more, and causes government to fail.......force is never the answer is a free society.

    this is why i argue with conservatives sometimes......becuase they act like liberals....becuase they want government force applied on people ,.......if they think its right.....using their feelings and compassion, to be their judge for them.....which is a mistake.
    Or rather, you are the liberal for shrugging off that much of your European conservative principles of noblesse oblige.
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