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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's your vision of it. It is completely inaccurate. What you are trying to argue here is simply idiotic. A massive portion of minimum wage earners are not, are not youth. It does not matter what you think.
    It doesn't matter what you think either. The only reason that they are not youth, as they used to be, is because the culture has changed to allow people who are older to still hold these jobs. The culture has failed people.

    If you can't live on it, it is not a meaningful minimum wage. Again, your statement that someone's lifestyle is too extravagant, when they can't even get a place to live with that money, is beyond idiotic.
    You're not supposed to even try to live on it. Clearly you're just not paying attention to anything I'm saying so I won't say any more.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    Because life is about reality. Reality is that outside a purely communist society, your skills are worth what others are willing to pay and how much you are willing to accept. Those questions are like asking how in the world did Billy Bob Thornton score with Angelina Jolie or how the heck did Marilyn Manson hook up with Rose McGowan? Just as in real life, they were willing to accept the services of the other.

    Skills are like any other commodity. When I was active duty, I was an EOD (Bomb Disposal) tech. I did not get payed much, but I was happy with my job. When I re-enlisted, I signed up for 6 years and was rewarded with a $3000 bonus for doing so. I retired in 1995. Currently, EOD techs typically see in the neighborhood of 80,000 dollars to re-enlist. In addition, they receive all kinds of incentive pays over and above their salary that I did not. Is that "fair"? My skills where the same. My willingness to work was still the same. The difference is that my skills were not in demand at the time. There was no need to offer me incentive pays to continue doing what I did. Now that Afghanistan is winding down, guess what? They are cutting way back on bonuses and incentive pays because those skills are no longer required as much.
    At one point, MCSEs and Novell CNEs where getting paid a pretty good amount. Once the market became saturated with them what do you think happened? The market "equalized". Those that were willing to work for what was offered did so. Those that did not had to look elsewhere.

    You're right, that's the real world. My point is just to say free market capitalism isn't perfect, so sometimes a managed approach is better.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    You missed my point. It is about pay equality for the experienced. If you raise the entry level workers pay, you are devaluing the worth of a more experienced worker with more responsibilities. I thought you would have understood that.

    While I can understand your concern for the destitute and starving, there are programs already in place to assist them. Letís give the teenager who has never had a job, who lives at home and eats the parents food more money. If you think the typical teenagers will save the money for the future or for higher education, I have some beach front property in Wyoming for you to buy.
    I think an exception should be made for teens with summer jobs, they should continue to make the current salary.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It doesn't matter what you think either. The only reason that they are not youth, as they used to be, is because the culture has changed to allow people who are older to still hold these jobs. The culture has failed people.
    So you're contradicting yourself openly, but only so as to maintain the incredibly silly notion that you are right.

    You're not supposed to even try to live on it. Clearly you're just not paying attention to anything I'm saying so I won't say any more.
    A worker who is working over full time hours on minimum wage is not supposed to live on it? Dear lord man, how ignorant you are. The entire time the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 was being created, Perkins was charged with ensuring that cost-of-living was the barometer of the minimum wage drafting.

    Your historical ignorance and facile approach to policy just shines, doesn't it?
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Night school accounts for far less than you think it does, nor does it answer to high school students. The fact of the matter is, minimum wage jobs are not the "kid" jobs we portray them to be.
    You are correct.Minimum wage was enacted during FDR's new deal.I seriously doubt new deal democrats were concerned about highschool and college kids and young single adults getting ripped off or exploited businesses,especially seeing how most people back then did not graduate highschool. Many minimum wage increase opponents and minimum wage opponents love to spew the lie that minimum wage is a training wage or only meant for people with no financial responsibilities.

    Minimum wage | LII / Legal Information Institute

    The national minimum wage was created by Congress under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) in 1938. Congress enacted this legislation under its Constitutional grant of authority to regulate interstate commerce. FLSA was a comprehensive federal scheme which provided for minimum wages, overtime pay, record keeping requirements, and child labor regulations. The purpose of the minimum wage was to stabilize the post-depression economy and protect the workers in the labor force. The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees. Others have argued that the primary purpose was to aid the lowest paid of the nation's working population, those who lacked sufficient bargaining power to secure for themselves a minimum subsistence wage.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post

    You're not supposed to even try to live on it. Clearly you're just not paying attention to anything I'm saying so I won't say any more.
    That is a blatant lie.

    Minimum wage | LII / Legal Information Institute
    The national minimum wage was created by Congress under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) in 1938. Congress enacted this legislation under its Constitutional grant of authority to regulate interstate commerce. FLSA was a comprehensive federal scheme which provided for minimum wages, overtime pay, record keeping requirements, and child labor regulations. The purpose of the minimum wage was to stabilize the post-depression economy and protect the workers in the labor force. The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees. Others have argued that the primary purpose was to aid the lowest paid of the nation's working population, those who lacked sufficient bargaining power to secure for themselves a minimum subsistence wage.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You're right, that's the real world. My point is just to say free market capitalism isn't perfect, so sometimes a managed approach is better.
    Given that you are clueless regarding free market capitalism, your managed logic fails miserably.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You're right, that's the real world. My point is just to say free market capitalism isn't perfect, so sometimes a managed approach is better.
    While I have the same concerns as you concerning the trulypoor and destitute, I am pragmatic enough to realize that raising minimum wage does not help them in the long term. It simply makes their poverty a little more tolerable for the short term and does nothing to break the cycle.
    How about these suggestions:
    Offer daycare to these parents so they can attend parent/teacher meetings at their children's school. Ensure businesses make allowances for the parents to attend?How about tutors for school age children? Supplemental income for thise enrolled in apprenticeships/vocational skills programs? Lots of ways we can try to break the cycle.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    minimum wage--unconstitutional

    however minimum wage, is designed for those entering the job market for the first time..

    it is for those, who are learning how to work and for a comapny and with other people, how to be responsible, dependable.

    it was not designed to be a wage, to live on with a family at all.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    minimum wage--unconstitutional
    Hasn't been struck down yet.

    however minimum wage, is designed for those entering the job market for the first time..
    Uh, nein.

    it is for those, who are learning how to work and for a comapny and with other people, how to be responsible, dependable.
    No, it was designed so as to provide a safe wage to workers, accounting for a cost of living.

    it was not designed to be a wage, to live on with a family at all.
    So, when they were drafting this legislation in '38, this bared no thought whatsoever?
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