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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's how it works today in the current system, but maybe that's not how it should work. Why should a basketball player earn more money than a soldier? Why should a lawyer who makes his living suing doctors make more money than a nurse who saves lives for a living?
    Because life is about reality. Reality is that outside a purely communist society, your skills are worth what others are willing to pay and how much you are willing to accept. Those questions are like asking how in the world did Billy Bob Thornton score with Angelina Jolie or how the heck did Marilyn Manson hook up with Rose McGowan? Just as in real life, they were willing to accept the services of the other.

    Skills are like any other commodity. When I was active duty, I was an EOD (Bomb Disposal) tech. I did not get payed much, but I was happy with my job. When I re-enlisted, I signed up for 6 years and was rewarded with a $3000 bonus for doing so. I retired in 1995. Currently, EOD techs typically see in the neighborhood of 80,000 dollars to re-enlist. In addition, they receive all kinds of incentive pays over and above their salary that I did not. Is that "fair"? My skills where the same. My willingness to work was still the same. The difference is that my skills were not in demand at the time. There was no need to offer me incentive pays to continue doing what I did. Now that Afghanistan is winding down, guess what? They are cutting way back on bonuses and incentive pays because those skills are no longer required as much.
    At one point, MCSEs and Novell CNEs where getting paid a pretty good amount. Once the market became saturated with them what do you think happened? The market "equalized". Those that were willing to work for what was offered did so. Those that did not had to look elsewhere.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    What's yours?
    That there's no particular reason those jobs have to pay less than it takes to feed yourself.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You do know an incredibly sizable portion of minimum wage jobs (perhaps half or less than half) are held by those who do not fit description of "high school" or "college kid" nor will be staffed by "high school" or "college kids", right?
    The problem is, they're not supposed to be. That's the point. You have people who are holding jobs that they are not supposed to be holding, they should have learned these basic lessons long ago and moved on. If they haven't done so, whose fault is that? It falls directly in their own lap. So since it is their own doing, and I'm excepting people who are in that situation solely because of the financial collapse, why do we have to pay them more when they shot themselves in the foot?
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "These jobs are supposed to suck" isn't a compelling argument.
    They only suck if you're trying to live beyond your means. For people who have very few expenses and very little experience, they're fine jobs. People ought not do things that they cannot afford.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The problem is, they're not supposed to be. That's the point. You have people who are holding jobs that they are not supposed to be holding
    Who do you expect to "man the fort" during school hours?

    they should have learned these basic lessons long ago and moved on. If they haven't done so, whose fault is that? It falls directly in their own lap. So since it is their own doing, and I'm excepting people who are in that situation solely because of the financial collapse, why do we have to pay them more when they shot themselves in the foot?
    I wouldn't be one to argue a doubling of the minimum wage, but if it is becoming harder to sustain one's lifestyle through the minimum wage, making sure it can keep at that base level is important.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Who do you expect to "man the fort" during school hours?
    Back when I was working minimum wage jobs at the local McDonalds, back before I turned 18, there were always people who went to school at night or who wanted a part time job while their kids were at school, to "man the fort". I can't imagine it's any different today.

    I wouldn't be one to argue a doubling of the minimum wage, but if it is becoming harder to sustain one's lifestyle through the minimum wage, making sure it can keep at that base level is important.
    If you can't sustain your lifestyle through a minimum wage job, something tells me your lifestyle is excessive. The point is that you set up the foundation of your life, get an education, get a basic job, learn the ropes, develop a work ethic, *THEN* you get married, have kids, move out on your own, etc. There are far too many people who are doing it entirely ass-backwards and they think that because they were idiots, they deserve more money to support a lifestyle they never EARNED in the first place.

    Hell no.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Back when I was working minimum wage jobs at the local McDonalds, back before I turned 18, there were always people who went to school at night or who wanted a part time job while their kids were at school, to "man the fort". I can't imagine it's any different today.
    Night school accounts for far less than you think it does, nor does it answer to high school students. The fact of the matter is, minimum wage jobs are not the "kid" jobs we portray them to be.

    If you can't sustain your lifestyle through a minimum wage job, something tells me your lifestyle is excessive.
    I'd love you to give people that pitch here. Good luck with that. It's damned difficult to find any housing at all on such a wage. They have to fork out about 1k+ a month with minimum wages just a hair above 7 bucks an hour.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Night school accounts for far less than you think it does, nor does it answer to high school students. The fact of the matter is, minimum wage jobs are not the "kid" jobs we portray them to be.
    They are the starting job. Most people, in the past, who occupied them were kids. Today, many companies that used to employ kids no longer do because there are plenty of people over the age of 18 who are willing to work for those wages and it's more profitable for these companies not to have to worry about work permits and school schedules and limitations on their employee's ability to work a 40 hour work week.

    I'd love you to give people that pitch here. Good luck with that. It's damned difficult to find any housing at all on such a wage. They have to fork out about 1k+ a month with minimum wages just a hair above 7 bucks an hour.
    I don't care if people accept it, it is the only sustainable solution available. The country has been liberalized to the point where the majority of people think that the government owes people a paycheck. They're wrong. That's why we need personal and financial responsibility to be the standard that is expected of everyone, but when you have a government that has none of it, regardless of the party involved, and we're sailing north of $17 trillion in debt, what do you expect?
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They are the starting job. Most people, in the past, who occupied them were kids. Today, many companies that used to employ kids no longer do because there are plenty of people over the age of 18 who are willing to work for those wages and it's more profitable for these companies not to have to worry about work permits and school schedules and limitations on their employee's ability to work a 40 hour work week.
    That's your vision of it. It is completely inaccurate. What you are trying to argue here is simply idiotic. A massive portion of minimum wage earners are not, are not youth. It does not matter what you think.

    I don't care if people accept it, it is the only sustainable solution available. The country has been liberalized to the point where the majority of people think that the government owes people a paycheck. They're wrong. That's why we need personal and financial responsibility to be the standard that is expected of everyone, but when you have a government that has none of it, regardless of the party involved, and we're sailing north of $17 trillion in debt, what do you expect?
    If you can't live on it, it is not a meaningful minimum wage. Again, your statement that someone's lifestyle is too extravagant, when they can't even get a place to live with that money, is beyond idiotic.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Nobody is cutting the experienced worker's salaries. What are you arguing - that they would be jealous? Green with envy?

    My sympathies lie with the destitute and starving, not with the people who might be jealous that those on the bottom rung of society are getting lifted up to a livable standard.
    You missed my point. It is about pay equality for the experienced. If you raise the entry level workers pay, you are devaluing the worth of a more experienced worker with more responsibilities. I thought you would have understood that.

    While I can understand your concern for the destitute and starving, there are programs already in place to assist them. Let’s give the teenager who has never had a job, who lives at home and eats the parents food more money. If you think the typical teenagers will save the money for the future or for higher education, I have some beach front property in Wyoming for you to buy.

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