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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Perhaps Jesus didn't but Old Testament law forbade farmers for harvesting the corners of their field and the gleaning of their fields. This was supposed to be left for the poor and the illegal Mexicans. (I'm paraphrasing a bit but it's the same sentiment.) This is exactly the spirit of our current food stamp program. The whole theme of the prophets in the Old Testament was critical of Israel because of their unwillingness to care for the poor and to enforce crime. This is why most Jews are liberal leaning in their politics. They know that a society will result in violence and chaos when the poor are ignored.
    But they were God's people following God's rules. At that point in time their leader was God. It wasn't until later were they ruled by a King. And yes the Jewish people were taught to leave a portion of their crops to be gleaned by the poor. But at least the poor had to get up off their asses and go harvest it, then process it, before they could eat it. It wasn't direct deposited into their account.


    Really? The homeless guy that roamed around and took the ancient form of food stamps?
    The Prodical Son blew his wealth and was left poor and ended up fighting the pigs for his food before he returned to his father's house and got a new start which included earning his way.


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    Misquoted? Ha Maybe you my friend need to re-read 2 Thessalonians Here is an excerpt to get you started....

    "One further order we must give you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ: don’t associate with the brother whose life is undisciplined, and who despises the teaching we gave him. You know well that we ourselves are your examples here, and that our lives among you were never undisciplined. We did not eat anyone’s food without paying for it. In fact we toiled and laboured night and day to avoid being the slightest expense to any of you. This was not because we had no right to ask our necessities of you, but because we wanted to set you an example. When we were actually with you we gave you this principle to work on: “If a man will not work, he shall not eat.” Now we hear that you have some among you living quite undisciplined lives, never doing a stroke of work, and busy only in other people’s affairs. Our order to such men, indeed our appeal by the Lord Jesus Christ, is to settle down to work and eat the food they have earned themselves."

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    What I earn fairly is mine and it is stealing every time someone like you votes for someone that will freely stick their hand in my pockets to benefit you.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    What does that got to do with the price of beans in China? Just because you make minimum wage, you still have to pay your bills. What the f*** are you talk about? It seems like your desire to hate people has clouded your ability to have a conversation. People making minimum wage buy food, pay rent, pay for electricity, buy gas and pay their car insurance. Are you really as dumb as you are pretending to be? Nobody can possibly be as dumb as you are pretending to be. You must be a super fake.
    Not necessarily. Many of these people can only pay their bills if they get that supplemental check from the government and the reality remains that they have made bad decisions and acted irresponsibly and now the taxpayer has to pay for their mistakes and we shouldn't have to do that. I'm sorry that you're unable to understand the facts without resulting to insults.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Depends. If you've no commute expense, no rent expense (yay college), you're in good health, it's just spending $. If you're a single mom and that job is 30 miles away, gonna be a real struggle.

    Then again, i don't know why any adult without mental illness or criminal record would be at minimum wage job. $12/hr as entry research assistant and $17/hr as HR intern, i can't imagine ever settling for minimum wage again.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    News Flash to all idiots
    When people are given the choice between earning $15,080 per year and $50,000 per year they will choose the job paying $50,000 per year. Also nobody has a crystal ball. Nobody knows what the future holds. (There are four exceptions: Cephus, Ocean515, Neomalthusian or Rocketman all know every single thing.) It is possible to make $50,000 for 10 years and then get laid off because the company closed. Making $0 instead of $15,080 just to avoid being labelled an idiot by Cephus, Ocean515, Neomalthusian or Rocketman would be a poor decision.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But they were God's people following God's rules. At that point in time their leader was God. It wasn't until later were they ruled by a King. And yes the Jewish people were taught to leave a portion of their crops to be gleaned by the poor. But at least the poor had to get up off their asses and go harvest it, then process it, before they could eat it. It wasn't direct deposited into their account.



    The Prodical Son blew his wealth and was left poor and ended up fighting the pigs for his food before he returned to his father's house and got a new start which included earning his way.




    Misquoted? Ha Maybe you my friend need to re-read 2 Thessalonians Here is an excerpt to get you started....

    "One further order we must give you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ: don’t associate with the brother whose life is undisciplined, and who despises the teaching we gave him. You know well that we ourselves are your examples here, and that our lives among you were never undisciplined. We did not eat anyone’s food without paying for it. In fact we toiled and laboured night and day to avoid being the slightest expense to any of you. This was not because we had no right to ask our necessities of you, but because we wanted to set you an example. When we were actually with you we gave you this principle to work on: “If a man will not work, he shall not eat.” Now we hear that you have some among you living quite undisciplined lives, never doing a stroke of work, and busy only in other people’s affairs. Our order to such men, indeed our appeal by the Lord Jesus Christ, is to settle down to work and eat the food they have earned themselves."



    What I earn fairly is mine and it is stealing every time someone like you votes for someone that will freely stick their hand in my pockets to benefit you.
    Excellent post, Vesper. I particularly liked the reference you made that if the gleaners wanted the food, they had to make the effort to get it. No one else was going to do the work for them, and then just give it to them for free, no matter how much they whined!

    Greetings, Vesper.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    many of these kids might already have college degrees but cannot find employment because there are no openings.
    it couldn't be because they lack experience? also many won't look outside certain market areas? why would any work at McDonalds when places like North Dakota, Alaska, and even Houston, TX have good job markets?

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    News Flash to all idiots
    When people are given the choice between earning $15,080 per year and $50,000 per year they will choose the job paying $50,000 per year. Also nobody has a crystal ball. Nobody knows what the future holds. (There are four exceptions: Cephus, Ocean515, Neomalthusian or Rocketman all know every single thing.) It is possible to make $50,000 for 10 years and then get laid off because the company closed. Making $0 instead of $15,080 just to avoid being labelled an idiot by Cephus, Ocean515, Neomalthusian or Rocketman would be a poor decision.
    News Flash to all idiots
    I don't know ANYONE that wanted to work after being layed off that isn't working. Of course they all moved to where the jobs are. People that are unwilling to change their thinking in a changing economy will always carry that self pity

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot of money?
    A lot? No. Enough to get by? I have no idea...
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    In comparison to wages versus a typical plant manager or CEO in 1954, it is abysmally low. Minimum wage should be much more, and taken from those that paid no tax last year, such as Facebook and GE and many others. Oh, and I say that as a long time voter for the Republican side.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Please clarify what you mean by "we have the money". Last I checked, the country is in debt. Do you mean "other Americans have money that can be redistributed"?
    Sure, if you want to word it that way.

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