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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's up over 17 trillion, and the national debt has nothing to do with income redistribution. Wealth is neither created nor destroyed, it's just moving from one pot to another.

    In other words, it's not as if letting the millionaires and billionaires keep that extra 20 percent is going to pay down any of the national debt.
    Yet you believe there are piles of money lying around to allow your income redistribution philosophy of life.

    How grand for you.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It's a good heart that helps those in need. Those who follow Christ often do that very thing through their tithes and offerings. Or they volunteer their time to help others as it is a command of Jesus to his followers. However, Jesus did not command the governments the responsibility to care for the poor and downtrodden but his followers personally. And that is the rub. One way is done freely. The other through government is forced. Jesus also likes a joyful giver. Not too many folks I know are joyful being forced to pay for benefits of others when they already give to the needy. Jesus also taught personal responsibility for one's choices in life. Forgiveness is freely given, but that doesn't negate the consequences. The Scriptures tell us those not willing to work don't deserve to eat. Those who have been personally responsible should not be penalized for those who have not. And when the government forces them, it amounts to stealing.
    You are right that Jesus likes the joyful giver. It is up to every person to give and what he decides to give is between him and God.

    In America, we are unique because every citizen has the opportunity to wear two hats. First, everyone is an individual, and we have the ability to donate our time and money as individuals as you have said.

    The second hat we put on is as governors of this country. Through our votes, we actually steer the direction our government goes in. Therefore, we have a responsibility to think for ourselves as individuals, but at the same time we have a responsibility to think as stewards of America, because the choices we make at the polls are what shapes this country.

    As an individual, I give to charity.

    As a voter and an American, I feel I have a responsibility to my fellow Americans. I recognize that as charitable as Americans are, the poor are not getting enough to where they can truly take part in society. Therefore, I think redistribution at a government level in the form of taxes is in the best interest of the country.

    The government has the right to tax, it's not stealing. If it were, we wouldn't have been commanded to render unto caesar. The government is supposed to to what is best for the people, by the people. In so doing, we entrust it with the ability to levy taxes.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Yet you believe there are piles of money lying around to allow your income redistribution philosophy of life.

    How grand for you.
    Why has the meme "income redistribution" become so very popular lately? Could it be *gasp* that it is yet another diversion to not only keep people divided, but it is being used by this administration to cover up the stark fact that after five years, nothing much has been accomplished in getting people back to work? Where is someone like FDR?...he handled worse problems than this, and everyone knows it! I'm not a Democrat, but I have great admiration for his handling of the problems he faced! He didn't do everything right, because he was human, but on this issue, he sure did, and the people loved him for it!

    Greetings, SMTA.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    First, I didn't say they shouldn't be free to trade with others.

    Second, what I was referring to was the need to have our priorities straight. Human beings are more important than the almighty dollar.
    But human beings suffer when we're and/or they're stupid about the almighty dollar. So they go hand in hand.

    We have a responsibility to take care of the poor.
    Being poor doesn't make them helpless like a child in need of our care. People can be poor and independent. Frankly I find your compulsion to try to make society care for the poor just because they don't own as much as you to be quite demeaning.

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    They don't take kids away because their parent's income is too low.
    I'm aware, but I suspect a lot of the people who are terrible enough to their children to have them taken away because of abuse and neglect... tend to have low income, generally speaking. All I've said in this thread on the topic of having children and raising families is that people who can't do it (for one or more reasons) generally shouldn't. Why people react adversely to this comment is bizarre.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Yet you believe there are piles of money lying around to allow your income redistribution philosophy of life.

    How grand for you.
    According to the US department of commerce, americans bring in 13.4 trillion dollars per year in wages. According to the Brookings Institute, the top 1% of earners make a 25 percent of that total.

    So approximately 3 million Americans earn 3.35 trillion dollars a year.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Not quite sure how to say this without being rude, but I'm surprised you don't make a lot more than you do because you're clearly very intelligent.
    I don't make minimum wage. I make $8.25 an hour. I used to make $8.00 an hour but I got a raise because of my intelligence. This is 2014. Things are different. I used to make much much more back in 2010. Things are different now.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    According to the US department of commerce, americans bring in 13.4 trillion dollars per year in wages. According to the Brookings Institute, the top 1% of earners make a 25 percent of that total.

    So approximately 3 million Americans earn 3.35 trillion dollars a year.
    So what?

    All this means that you need to contribute more.

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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The irony is that we're so unimaginably wealthy in this country that we could easily eliminate poverty altogether and nobody would have to sell off all their belongings or come anywhere close to doing that.

    It will never happen, though.
    All that would happen is that a new level of what is considered poverty would be set. In addition, who gets to decide how the efforts, goods and services of others would be given to those that did not earn them in order to temporarily end poverty?? Reality is that there will always be a segment of society which is comfortable to live in poverty if it means not having to work. I have relatives that are perfectly happy living on state welfare, social security and food banks as long as they have enough to drink on. What would the strategy look like to fix that?
    We need to change how we try to combat poverty because, so far, we have blown billions trying to solve it and the numbers have remained the same since Johnson declared "war" poverty.
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Why has the meme "income redistribution" become so very popular lately? Could it be *gasp* that it is yet another diversion to not only keep people divided, but it is being used by this administration to cover up the stark fact that after five years, nothing much has been accomplished in getting people back to work? Where is someone like FDR?...he handled worse problems than this, and everyone knows it! I'm not a Democrat, but I have great admiration for his handling of the problems he faced! He didn't do everything right, because he was human, but on this issue, he sure did, and the people loved him for it!

    Greetings, SMTA.
    Hello, my friend.

    Most folks are clueless on how our economy really operates, and make moronic statements about realigning income so everyone is the same.

    They have no understanding of how a profit based business operates.

    No profit = no businesses.

    Of course, these morons have never actually started and run a business of their own.....
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    Re: Is minimum wage a lot?

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    All that would happen is that a new level of what is considered poverty would be set. In addition, who gets to decide how the efforts, goods and services of others would be given to those that did not earn them in order to temporarily end poverty?? Reality is that there will always be a segment of society which is comfortable to live in poverty if it means not having to work. I have relatives that are perfectly happy living on state welfare, social security and food banks as long as they have enough to drink on. What would the strategy look like to fix that?
    We need to change how we try to combat poverty because, so far, we have blown billions trying to solve it and the numbers have remained the same since Johnson declared "war" poverty.
    But the level would be at a more humane place. There are people in this country living hand to mouth, literally. That isn't right.

    As to who gets to decide.... the government we elect has that right.

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