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    Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    I was flipping around the radio yesterday and came across a guy named Michael Savage. He was pretty excited and screaming about "Why should those on welfare be allowed to vote". His point is simply that they are not paying taxes or making this country better so why should they have a say. Use the right to vote to encourage those lazy leeches to get off of their asses and get a job.

    I had heard of this guy but I don't think I've ever listened to him before. I have heard Rush and Hannity before but this guy seemed extreme even in comparison to those guys. Who in their right mind would really suggest that the poor should not be allowed to vote. Taking power away from people and handing it solely to the upper classes. And he was talking about this should be one of the platforms of the Republican party.

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    re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I was flipping around the radio yesterday and came across a guy named Michael Savage.
    Oh, I'll bet what he had to say was a model of tempered reasoning and moderation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    He was pretty excited and screaming about "Why should those on welfare be allowed to vote". His point is simply that they are not paying taxes or making this country better so why should they have a say. Use the right to vote to encourage those lazy leeches to get off of their asses and get a job.

    I had heard of this guy but I don't think I've ever listened to him before. I have heard Rush and Hannity before but this guy seemed extreme even in comparison to those guys. Who in their right mind would really suggest that the poor should not be allowed to vote. Taking power away from people and handing it solely to the upper classes. And he was talking about this should be one of the platforms of the Republican party.

    What do you think?
    All citizens should have the right to vote. Period.

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    re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Yes, they have the right to vote.


    Funny enough, most older Americans are on medicaire and social security and tend to vote republican. Some people don't really think about things before they start to rant.
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    re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Yes, they have the right to vote.


    Funny enough, most older Americans are on medicaire and social security and tend to vote republican. Some people don't really think about things before they start to rant.
    The term welfare generally refers to the 70+ gov't "safety net" programs that are based on low household income/size, not simply any gov't entitlement. SS/Medicare are based on age and disability status but not on household income/size.
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    re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The term welfare generally refers to the 70+ gov't "safety net" programs that are based on low household income/size, not simply any gov't entitlement. SS/Medicare are based on age and disability status but not on household income/size.
    I guess I didn't think it through much, but still it's a kind of federal aid, yes?
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    re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I was flipping around the radio yesterday and came across a guy named Michael Savage. He was pretty excited and screaming about "Why should those on welfare be allowed to vote". His point is simply that they are not paying taxes or making this country better so why should they have a say. Use the right to vote to encourage those lazy leeches to get off of their asses and get a job.

    I had heard of this guy but I don't think I've ever listened to him before. I have heard Rush and Hannity before but this guy seemed extreme even in comparison to those guys. Who in their right mind would really suggest that the poor should not be allowed to vote. Taking power away from people and handing it solely to the upper classes. And he was talking about this should be one of the platforms of the Republican party.

    What do you think?
    His argument probably has been around since the inception of our country. It always has been feared that once people who rely on government largess instead of working and caring for themselves would vote for the candidates and party who promise to continue to let them live off the government and those who work. That their vote will not be cast for the candidate or party that they think is best for the country, but only for the candidate and party who will promise to continue to give them free stuff.

    Perhaps not in these words, but that is the meaning they of their words from guys like Savage. His and their fear is you will have one party representing productive members of society and one party representing the unproductive of society. The leeches in their view. They see the minority of those on welfare that are perfectly satisified being on welfare and letting others cater to their needs without even trying to improve themselves. They see those on welfare as having made bad decisions in their lives and have done many wrong things and done wrong actions and are now being rewarded for those wrong decisions and actions they chose themselves.

    What they do not see are the ones who go on welfare for a short time, survive and then move up and off of welfare and become productive citizens. I am not defending guys like Savage, just explaining their view. Chances are none of these who hold views like Savage have ever went through tough times. Have never needed help from others.

    Savage and his like are a very small minority. But he does raise a good question, how long should anyone be on welfare or on unemployment insurance. Why do some become satisified with just being on the public dole and are willing to live their entire life on the dole instead of trying to find work? Should there be a cut off, a time period? Are we rewarding a ton of bad choices some of these people make in their life with no consequences for making those bad choices.

    I think these questions need to be talked about. How can we take care of the people who need it without making welfare become a life of choice?

    I am the type of person who usually believes there has to be a happy medium. That somehow we can make sure the poor are well taken care of, those on welfare receive what they need and somehow come up with a system or scheme where welfare and living off other does not become a life style. I haven't the faintest idea how to accomplish this.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I guess I didn't think it through much, but still it's a kind of federal aid, yes?
    No more so than a federal civilian/military retirement check. What of those with "special needs'' children funded by federal education funds? Obviously many folks receive more in federal benefits than they pay in federal taxes or we would not have a national debt. The idea that voting, or any other constitutional right, be tied to one's financial status is scary. The rich already have electoral super powers, via campaign cash, and thus get extra attention from elected representatives; at least let the politicians have to keep lying to get the votes of the ignorant and poor.
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    re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Savage is bonkers, but he's not the only one on the extreme right going all-out class warfare like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No more so than a federal civilian/military retirement check. What of those with "special needs'' children funded by federal education funds? Obviously many folks receive more in federal benefits than they pay in federal taxes or we would not have a national debt. The idea that voting, or any other constitutional right, be tied to one's financial status is scary. The rich already have electoral super powers, via campaign cash, and thus get extra attention from elected representatives; at least let the politicians have to keep lying to get the votes of the ignorant and poor.

    But I thought social security was a giant ponzi scheme where you're paying for someone else's benefits, not your own. NO VOTES FOR OLD PEOPLE!
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    re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    These beliefs are why I'm very happy with courts blocking majority rule where those laws are unconstitutional. There's always a Fred Savage who thinks a segment of the population shouldn't be allowed to vote.

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    re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I was flipping around the radio yesterday and came across a guy named Michael Savage. He was pretty excited and screaming about "Why should those on welfare be allowed to vote". His point is simply that they are not paying taxes or making this country better so why should they have a say. Use the right to vote to encourage those lazy leeches to get off of their asses and get a job.

    I had heard of this guy but I don't think I've ever listened to him before. I have heard Rush and Hannity before but this guy seemed extreme even in comparison to those guys. Who in their right mind would really suggest that the poor should not be allowed to vote. Taking power away from people and handing it solely to the upper classes. And he was talking about this should be one of the platforms of the Republican party.

    What do you think?
    Savage is another cartoon character on radio, creating a complete schtick, that most of his pathetic listeners believe is real and sincere. He is just another hack, but unlike most talk show hosts, he actually went to colllege, has a doctorate in nutrition or something. But his show, like his fake name Savage is just a fraud, he throws out red meat to ignorant rubes who love him and believe his act.
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