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Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

Should those on welfare or any federal aid be allowed to vote?

  • Yes. Absolutely.

    Votes: 58 77.3%
  • No.

    Votes: 13 17.3%
  • Other?

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • Total voters
    75
It is not racist?

To you it is.

Okay, let me help you out here, because you are choosing not to address your lie.

I said: "So these right-wing extremists who want to deprive poor people the right to vote, particularly poor people of color, should be first in line to give it up themselves."

To which you replied: "Calling most people of color poor is racist."

This would have been an unacceptable response in the fifth grade. But for an adult (I presume you are an adult) to say it is an act of blatant ignorance. Again, how can I possibly accept anything you say when you can't even demonstrate basic reading comprehension skills?

For your information, poverty disproportionately affects people of color. You do know that, right? Secondly, contrary to how some white people feel, discussing race or racial groups is not in and of itself racist. Do you even know what racism means, or am I gonna have to define that for you as well?
 
Anyone who does not accept the universal right of adult citizens to vote should be the first to give up that right.

So these right-wing extremists who want to deprive poor people the right to vote, particularly poor people of color, should be first in line to give it up themselves.

No one on 8 pages of posts brought up race. No one. Until you.
 
No one on 8 pages of posts brought up race. No one. Until you.

So if we don't talk about hunger, everyone will be well-fed?
 
So if we don't talk about hunger, everyone will be well-fed?

Slightly more people will be fed that way than if you make a law saying everyone has a right to be fed.
 
Slightly more people will be fed that way than if you make a law saying everyone has a right to be fed.

More lies and strawmen. How typical.
 
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These beliefs are why I'm very happy with courts blocking majority rule where those laws are unconstitutional.

There is no particularly compelling reason to suppose why such laws would be. The Founders, for example, imposed such restrictions on those who lived off of the public purse, and the States, per the Constitution, are authorized to determine eligibility to vote, with a few restrictions (Age, Race, Previous Condition of Servitude).

Mind you, I would agree that that is likely not how a judge would rule; but that would be an indictment of our judiciary, not the law itself.
 
There is no particularly compelling reason to suppose why such laws would be. The Founders, for example, imposed such restrictions on those who lived off of the public purse, and the States, per the Constitution, are authorized to determine eligibility to vote, with a few restrictions (Age, Race, Previous Condition of Servitude).

Mind you, I would agree that that is likely not how a judge would rule; but that would be an indictment of our judiciary, not the law itself.

I'd agree with you that there was a time when this would've been constitutional, but in my opinion the 24th amendment would make this type of legislation unconstitutional now at least for federal elections.
 
So it's my girlfriend's fault no one would hire her full-time for four months after graduating from Louisville because she has a Master's degree and employers considered her over-qualified? That's nonsense. That wasn't her fault (and luckily she was able to get a part time job and live with her parents), but if she had gone on government assistence, she wouldn't have kicked anyone in the teeth, she would have been kicked in the teeth by society. Your position is incredibly insensitive and rather out of touch with reality. You seem to think a sustaining job exists for everyone who wants one. It doesn't.

Yes it is her fault. Obviously she has over-educated herself for the sort of work she is looking to do. That's actually a growing issue here in the United States, as I see it. People think they're worth more simply because they have a larger sheepskin to hang on the wall and they're finding that in this economy that Master's Degree or PhD may not really have been worth it afterall. Then again I believe a large part of our problem is that we have a much higher percentage of people looking for non-agricultural work nowadays than were 100 years ago. We've increased the number of applicants while in reality decreasing (at least percentagewise) the number of jobs out there.

Yes, she would have been kicking people in the teeth. I'm sorry, but from what little I've read she hasn't put anything into the system, is perfectly able-bodied, and still would have wanted to take out of the system. Society/Government does not exist to ensure results, only opportunities. If she over-educated herself and happens to be of the wrong gender to be in the workplace to begin with, that's not Society/Government's fault.

Yes, my position is insensitive, becuase I take emotion out of things like this. I don't think a sustaining job exists or should exist for everyone, whether they want it or not. As I said, we improperly expanded the workforce while corespondingly decreasing jobs, so something like this had to happen eventually, one way or the other.
 
Yes...DUH.

I am against the amount of welfare in America...it should be far less, IMO.

But taking away voting rights for those on it is moronic in the extremis.
 
So if we don't talk about hunger, everyone will be well-fed?

What are you talking about? You brought up race when in this conversation race is not an issue. No one to my knowledge is suggesting that minority welfare recipients not be allowed to vote. The question put forth is that welfare recipients, all of them of every race, be allowed to vote. And there are just as many welfare recipients who are white as there are any other race. This is not a question of race. Take your little racist agenda and race baiting bull**** elsewhere please and address the topic.
 
There is no particularly compelling reason to suppose why such laws would be. The Founders, for example, imposed such restrictions on those who lived off of the public purse, and the States, per the Constitution, are authorized to determine eligibility to vote, with a few restrictions (Age, Race, Previous Condition of Servitude).

Mind you, I would agree that that is likely not how a judge would rule; but that would be an indictment of our judiciary, not the law itself.

The founders imposed a lot of restrictions on who could and couldn't vote. Although done piecemeal, we've fortunately moved past that.
 
What are you talking about? You brought up race when in this conversation race is not an issue.

Race has nothing to do with poverty? Really? Man, I wish that were true.
 
Race has nothing to do with poverty? Really? Man, I wish that were true.

Yea, white people are poor too. Look into it. There are poor people of every race. Do you have anything at all to support this race baiting idea of yours that people want to stop voting for minorities on welfare? Because the guy I heard was talking about people on welfare. All races. Not just some but all.
 
Race has nothing to do with poverty? Really? Man, I wish that were true.

are you trying to say minorities are too stupid to provide for themselves?
 
Pretty sure he thinks that white people cant be poor.



He/she did not want to hear what Bill Cosby had to say about poverty when I posted it earlier this week.
 
Yea, white people are poor too. Look into it. There are poor people of every race. Do you have anything at all to support this race baiting idea of yours that people want to stop voting for minorities on welfare? Because the guy I heard was talking about people on welfare. All races. Not just some but all.

Wow, you're getting pretty emotional about this. Let's just look at this from a logical point-of-view, okay? From here, we see that in the year 2011:

-15% of Americans lived in poverty. Broken down by ethnicity, we have:
-12.2% of Asian Americans;
-25.3% of Hispanics;
-26.7% of African Americans;
live in poverty. So we clearly see that poverty disproportionately affects black and brown Americans.
 
Wow, you're getting pretty emotional about this. Let's just look at this from a logical point-of-view, okay? From here, we see that in the year 2011:

-15% of Americans lived in poverty. Broken down by ethnicity, we have:
-12.2% of Asian Americans;
-25.3% of Hispanics;
-26.7% of African Americans;
live in poverty. So we clearly see that poverty disproportionately affects black and brown Americans.

Are you trolling me? Seriously the breakdown of percentage of poor by race has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. If you want to discuss that start a ****ing thread for that. This is about ALL welfare recipients losing their right to vote. Comprehension is a good skill. Look into that. Focus on the subject of the thread.
 
Are you trolling me? Seriously the breakdown of percentage of poor by race has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. If you want to discuss that start a ****ing thread for that. This is about ALL welfare recipients losing their right to vote. Comprehension is a good skill. Look into that. Focus on the subject of the thread.

I figured you would do this. Let's recap, shall we?

Me: "So these right-wing extremists who want to deprive poor people the right to vote, particularly poor people of color, should be first in line to give it up themselves."
You: "No one on 8 pages of posts brought up race. No one. Until you."
Me: "So if we don't talk about hunger, everyone will be well-fed?"
You: "What are you talking about? You brought up race when in this conversation race is not an issue."
Me: "Race has nothing to do with poverty? Really? Man, I wish that were true."
You: "Yea, white people are poor too. Look into it. There are poor people of every race. Do you have anything at all to support this race baiting idea of yours that people want to stop voting for minorities on welfare?"

To which I broke down some verifiable statistics about different races and their respective poverty levels.

You: "Are you trolling me? Seriously the breakdown of percentage of poor by race has absolutely nothing to do with this thread."

I have built a case that if welfare recipients were to be denied their constitutionally-mandated right to vote, then it would disproportionately affect people of color. I have used facts and figures to help establish that claim; you have failed in your attempt to knock it down with emotional responses. If you could provide me some nonpartisan statistics that show that racial minorities do not receive significantly more welfare than whites do, I would be more than willing to take a look at them. Until such time, I will assume you are flailing.
 
I was flipping around the radio yesterday and came across a guy named Michael Savage. He was pretty excited and screaming about "Why should those on welfare be allowed to vote". His point is simply that they are not paying taxes or making this country better so why should they have a say. Use the right to vote to encourage those lazy leeches to get off of their asses and get a job.

I had heard of this guy but I don't think I've ever listened to him before. I have heard Rush and Hannity before but this guy seemed extreme even in comparison to those guys. Who in their right mind would really suggest that the poor should not be allowed to vote. Taking power away from people and handing it solely to the upper classes. And he was talking about this should be one of the platforms of the Republican party.

What do you think?

What I think? I think this guy Savage is an idiot. Everybody pays taxes in the USA and even if they did not pay taxes they should still be allowed to vote.
 
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