Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

Beware of people who want to restrict the rights of Americans to vote.

SheWolf said:

It's funny because it could back fire on conservatives in many ways. You point out that many older, retired people vote GOP, but so do white conservatives in the poorest southern states. Alabama and Mississippi for example. Those states are known for being poor and blood red. In addition to southern, white food stamp and welfare recipients, overall more white people are on welfare than any other racial group. I am not sure if the vast majority of them live in the south, but it would be funny if they did. :lol:

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That is so true, and you may want to include large parts of TN and KY. Don't forget the trailerhoods, people, where most vote Rep, and last, but not least, so many Veterans who have fallen on hard times. If anyone earned the right to vote, it is they.
Its utterly absurd to deny anyone the right to vote.

notquiteright said:

it used to be the 'American way'- be all you can be, but it seems equally American to stay in the herd as a middle of the pack rat and scoff at anyone striving to do more than stay with the herd.

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First off, I gave an AS Degree, not AA. At the time I graduated the only BS Degree available in that field was from a college in California and it only had about a 60% placement rate because the grads were severely over-educated and under - skilled in real job related experience; as I find most Engineers I work with these days to be.

Education solely for education's sake is great in a perfect world but in the real world it's a waste. I will never need a BS to do my job so why would I spend thousands of dollars to get one? It's not going to increase my salary in my job and the jobs it could position me for I have no interest in.

Slyfox696 said:

It doesn't matter, because without people in her life right now helping her, she'd have to receive government assistance, through absolutely no fault or mistake of her own.

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She made the mistake of getting a degree that the job market obviously doesn't value at this time. That is HER mistake not society's.

Slyfox696 said:

Your sexist comment is rather insulting.

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It was intended to be to some degree.

Helix said:

there is no such thing as overeducated. those who understand the mind know that maximizing brain development is as important or more important than physical fitness. i applaud your family members for getting degrees in micro. it's a fascinating field.

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I've always felt the health of the SOUL was more important than the mind or the body.

Right now they have no career options outside of the university system, a place I did my best to get out of as quickly as possible.

Tigger said:

I've always felt the health of the SOUL was more important than the mind or the body.

Right now they have no career options outside of the university system, a place I did my best to get out of as quickly as possible.

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to each his own. i wouldn't give up a second of my college / grad education. it has helped in all kinds of ways, both directly and indirectly.

Tigger said:

First off, I gave an AS Degree, not AA. At the time I graduated the only BS Degree available in that field was from a college in California and it only had about a 60% placement rate because the grads were severely over-educated and under - skilled in real job related experience; as I find most Engineers I work with these days to be. Education solely for education's sake is great in a perfect world but in the real world it's a waste. I will never need a BS to do my job so why would I spend thousands of dollars to get one? It's not going to increase my salary in my job and the jobs it could position me for I have no interest in.

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Spoken like a true mediocre middle of the pack rat. I meant a two year degree, sort of an advanced high school diploma. I can understand over education, who needs a wire splicer with a 4 year degree? Lack of desire to do more than the same semi-entry level job for 20 years is not uncommon in the corporate muck. I know a few who have stayed at the same job and company for over a decade. For most programmers a 4 years stint in any one shop is average.

Course many career fields that are not dead ends do have experienced education creep. When I was a young june bug in the Infantry, PSGs didn't have college, now almost all have a 4 year degree and it does count for promotion.

You started in '94 as a what?

My Brother in law started programming in the mid 70's with NO degree- try doing that today. Today anyone with less than a 4 year degree had better know the boss REAL well. He has since gone on to earn a PHD, but he does have ambition and a love of his career field and sucking up knowledge- yeah he is a super nerd.

Today is different, I'd say most career paths that are not dull dead enders have a place for a Master's Degree. The 'stigma' of being over educated for a professional job requiring at least a 4 year degree is mostly in the minds of the mediocre pack rats. What hurts a Master's Degree beginner is a job market flooded with out of work experienced job seekers, not some made-up excuse of cost to train and then not retain. :roll:

Experience does count, but once you leave the glorified high school level jobs, education is important.

Lovebug said:

That is so true, and you may want to include large parts of TN and KY. Don't forget the trailerhoods, people, where most vote Rep, and last, but not least, so many Veterans who have fallen on hard times. If anyone earned the right to vote, it is they.
Its utterly absurd to deny anyone the right to vote.

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Every single white person I know from KY lives on welfare… :lol:

To choose their own government can only:

1. Mentally healthy menfolk, have no criminal records, reached the end of his military service, married to a woman and have at least 2 children. At the age of 27 to 70 years old. Having personal property and regularly paying taxes.

2. Widows of these men who have joint children, are entitled to a half vote.

When the government chooses the crowd, this is not democracy, and mob rule.

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(c)

SheWolf said:

Every single white person I know from KY lives on welfare… :lol:

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I do not know of any white man, that can work, but chose a welfare. So you're not telling the truth.

The only people that should be allowed to vote are those that contribute to the function of the state. Those that take from it or are paid by the state should not be allowed to influence events, for, afterall, they are going to vote for that block that favors their dependence.

notquiteright said:

You started in '94 as a what?

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I started as a CAD Drafter for a structural engineer. I spent three years there and then moved on to a three year stint as a CAD Drafter at a commercial architect. I was laid off from that firm in January of 2001. I took a contract position as a CAD Designer at a utility company. In 2006 the company finally hired me directly after giving them something of an ultimatum. In 2007 I was part if a group that organized the Designers and Engineers to join the Union. I was on the negotiations team for our initial contract completed in 2009 and for the new contract last year as well as being the department Steward. I now make more than $35.00 per hour with a pension, good benefits and guaranteed raises/bonuses each year.

notquiteright said:

Experience does count, but once you leave the glorified high school level jobs, education is important.

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Once you leave those "glorified high school level" jobs there is a level of politics, drama, and associated crap that nobody in their right mind wants to deal with. You also get into Salaried jobs that offer no compensation for extra work.

loader said:

I do not know of any white man, that can work, but chose a welfare. So you're not telling the truth.

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It's true Loader. How did you reach the conclusion that white people are never lazy?

Slyfox696 said:

I'm sure if she had known in advance jobs would purposefully not hire her because she was educated, she would have rethought it. But it's not her fault society is telling her she needs to be uneducated if she wants a job, that's society's fault for being so threatened by an educated person.

Which goes back to my original position of society kicking people in the teeth.

And, once again, your position in this thread makes it clear responding to your position is a waste of time.

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I saw this problem a lot when I got my Masters. So many of the people I studied with couldn't find jobs to save their life. It's a strange paradox. It's said that our workforce lacks educated, skilled laborers, but then you get an education, and there aren't jobs for you.

SheWolf said:

It's true Loader. How did you reach the conclusion that white people are never lazy?

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I did not write it. That you had invented. I wrote that I do not know.

Kreton said:

I was flipping around the radio yesterday and came across a guy named Michael Savage. He was pretty excited and screaming about "Why should those on welfare be allowed to vote". His point is simply that they are not paying taxes or making this country better so why should they have a say. Use the right to vote to encourage those lazy leeches to get off of their asses and get a job.

I had heard of this guy but I don't think I've ever listened to him before. I have heard Rush and Hannity before but this guy seemed extreme even in comparison to those guys. Who in their right mind would really suggest that the poor should not be allowed to vote. Taking power away from people and handing it solely to the upper classes. And he was talking about this should be one of the platforms of the Republican party.

What do you think?

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I think its nonsense. The right to vote doesn't depend on whether you work, or not, it depends on if you are a citizen, or not and I think even that doesn't always matter. Bottom line is Mr. Savage doesn't speak for the entire Republican party and I disagree with a lot of the hot air he spouts. He is more coo coo then Limbaugh. Hannity is sane, but even he gets a little too much for me at times

SayMyName said:

The only people that should be allowed to vote are those that contribute to the function of the state. Those that take from it or are paid by the state should not be allowed to influence events, for, afterall, they are going to vote for that block that favors their dependence.

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So you favor peeing on the Constitution and ignoring it

Only people who pay taxes should get a vote. That doesn't mean we allow our poor to starve in the streets.

If you wish you have American caste system why you don't be honest and make it?

I do not recommend it.

Slyhunter said:

Only people who pay taxes should get a vote. That doesn't mean we allow our poor to starve in the streets.

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People that pay 10x more tax better get 10 votes? I thought you have an equality thing?

tiki said:

If you wish you have American caste system why you don't be honest and make it?

I do not recommend it.

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I DO wish we had a caste system here in the US. It would fix many of our issues.

Tigger said:

I DO wish we had a caste system here in the US. It would fix many of our issues.

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How about back to Queen and peasants and do away with the independence so many gave their lives for?

Lovebug said:

How about back to Queen and peasants and do away with the independence so many gave their lives for?

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So long as it's the right KING, no problem.

Every few months some warrior of the far right brings up the question of some attachment on voting rights so as to disqualify the people they do not like voting since it is believed that most of them do not vote for the far right candidates. Remember the insanely stupid "net taxpayer" nonsense floated in the past here by some angry that Democrats were winning elections and they had to find a dirty and illegal way to beat them?

This simply a manifestation of that same craven political desire.

Tigger said:

So long as it's the right KING, no problem.

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I should have added a sarcasm alert. Sorry.