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Thread: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

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    Re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Not educated, OVER-educated. It's not society's fault at all. Nobody is going to pay her a Master's Degree salary to do high school graduate level work. When I chose my career, I knew that the average individual in my field had a high school diploma or a trade school certificate. I took a chance and got my Associates Degree in the field, knowing that it MIGHT make it considerably more difficult to get a job because I would want more money. Thankfully I got lucky.... just as I graduated the standards in the field moved up to a Post-High School Trade School Certification or Associates Degree, which put me right on the front edge of the wave of increasing salaries. Your girlfriend apparently isn't as lucky. Not at all. Why should an employer pay her a Master's Degree salary if she isn't doing Master's level work.
    First off an AA degree in ANY field isn't taking a risk on being considered over educated, don't fool yourself. I have heard the mediocre middle of the pack rats carry on about over educated. Seems more sour grapes than reality. Fact is many firms if they are hiring would prefer an over educated one than one they have to educate- that would be an AA degree applicant.

    The IT field is a prefect example of the over-educated, need to retrain folks. once you leave the wire guys behind and enter the software side you find turnover is pretty high, even at the best of times. those gaining a bit of experience do look for the next step up and quite often that is in another company. many companies would prefer an 'over educated' employee who can work to their max potential far quicker than an under educated employee who has to be taught both the system and the peculiar protocols of the company.

    What many mediocre middle of the pack rats have never seen, mostly because they are so replaceable, is an employment contract for a set wage and period of time. gains both parties peace of mind. I'd say it costs far more to train a high school graduate to be a grunt for Uncle Sam than a Master's Degree applicant for most any job requiring a 4 year college degree.

    If a mediocre middle of the pack rat ever looked about they would see millions of people with massive experience and education doing work at a pay grade or two below what they could get in a perfect world. Their 'over education' was no hindrance, they just preferred to stay with a certain company, location, or moved to a new location as part of the spousal equiv, advancing in their career.

    it used to be the 'American way'- be all you can be, but it seems equally American to stay in the herd as a middle of the pack rat and scoff at anyone striving to do more than stay with the herd.

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    Re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    There will be no uprising.

    Wait and see.


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    Re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Alright, and when the economy starts to turn around and something in her field, at her Master's Degree level (and pay) opens up, is she going to stay there, or is she going to jump ship for the new opportunity.
    It doesn't matter, because without people in her life right now helping her, she'd have to receive government assistance, through absolutely no fault or mistake of her own.

    Again, it has to do with employee retention. As soon as things turn around she'll be gone for greener pastures
    Irrelevant to the fact she shouldn't be denied the right to vote simply because society has made it impossible for her to live without help.

    Again, because they don't want to train her replacement 6 months down the road when she finds a job she really wants.
    If they would pay her enough for her to live there, she'd stay. Again, society failed her, not the other way around.

    She was over-educated the moment she walked into a college due to her gender.
    Your sexist comment is rather insulting.
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    Re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Yes, they have the right to vote.


    Funny enough, most older Americans are on medicaire and social security and tend to vote republican. Some people don't really think about things before they start to rant.
    It's funny because it could back fire on conservatives in many ways. You point out that many older, retired people vote GOP, but so do white conservatives in the poorest southern states. Alabama and Mississippi for example. Those states are known for being poor and blood red. In addition to southern, white food stamp and welfare recipients, overall more white people are on welfare than any other racial group. I am not sure if the vast majority of them live in the south, but it would be funny if they did.

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    Re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    She was over-educated the moment she walked into a college due to her gender. Then she went and trumped it by wasting her time getting a Master's degree. I say that as someone with a brother and s-i-l who both have PhD's (Pile it Higher and Deeper) in microbiology. They're so over-educated the only thing they're qualified to do is stay in the university system and help spit out more of their own kind.
    there is no such thing as overeducated. those who understand the mind know that maximizing brain development is as important or more important than physical fitness. i applaud your family members for getting degrees in micro. it's a fascinating field.

    as for your comment on gender, it is laughable, and is only worthy of complete dismissal.

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    Re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Beware of people who want to restrict the rights of Americans to vote.

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    Re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    It's funny because it could back fire on conservatives in many ways. You point out that many older, retired people vote GOP, but so do white conservatives in the poorest southern states. Alabama and Mississippi for example. Those states are known for being poor and blood red. In addition to southern, white food stamp and welfare recipients, overall more white people are on welfare than any other racial group. I am not sure if the vast majority of them live in the south, but it would be funny if they did.
    That is so true, and you may want to include large parts of TN and KY. Don't forget the trailerhoods, people, where most vote Rep, and last, but not least, so many Veterans who have fallen on hard times. If anyone earned the right to vote, it is they.
    Its utterly absurd to deny anyone the right to vote.

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    Re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    it used to be the 'American way'- be all you can be, but it seems equally American to stay in the herd as a middle of the pack rat and scoff at anyone striving to do more than stay with the herd.
    First off, I gave an AS Degree, not AA. At the time I graduated the only BS Degree available in that field was from a college in California and it only had about a 60% placement rate because the grads were severely over-educated and under - skilled in real job related experience; as I find most Engineers I work with these days to be.

    Education solely for education's sake is great in a perfect world but in the real world it's a waste. I will never need a BS to do my job so why would I spend thousands of dollars to get one? It's not going to increase my salary in my job and the jobs it could position me for I have no interest in.

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    Re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It doesn't matter, because without people in her life right now helping her, she'd have to receive government assistance, through absolutely no fault or mistake of her own.
    She made the mistake of getting a degree that the job market obviously doesn't value at this time. That is HER mistake not society's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Your sexist comment is rather insulting.
    It was intended to be to some degree.

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    Re: Should welfare recipients be allowed to vote?[W:84]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    there is no such thing as overeducated. those who understand the mind know that maximizing brain development is as important or more important than physical fitness. i applaud your family members for getting degrees in micro. it's a fascinating field.
    I've always felt the health of the SOUL was more important than the mind or the body.

    Right now they have no career options outside of the university system, a place I did my best to get out of as quickly as possible.

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