Which is best method to combat poverty? select all that apply

DA60 said:

Nuke the world...end of problem.

Okay...so it's not the best way.

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Kudos for a sense of humor. :lol:

Kreton said:

Unemployment benefits? I am not sure what you are talking about. Did you hit reply to the wrong post? Your responses dont seem to be in response to anything I wrote.

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paying people to sit home for 2 damn years is not forcing labor on anyone

lizzie said:

Kudos for a sense of humor. :lol:

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Thanks...I believe in trying to find laughter in any situation...so long as it is not at someone else's expense.

Kreton said:

That is not true. Many people are forced into labor. Also please read the whole post.

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Nobody is forced into a specific occupation. If they want to do a specific type of work, then they need to go to a school which facilitates their doing so. They can own their own business, or sell vegetables on the side of the road- whatever works for them. Working is how many of us survive. You work for pay, then you pay your way. Cutting someone off from government bennies is not forcing them into labor. It's the real world.

Rocketman said:

paying people to sit home for 2 damn years is not forcing labor on anyone

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I never mentioned paying anyone to sit at home

lizzie said:

Nobody is forced into a specific occupation. If they want to do a specific type of work, then they need to go to a school which facilitates their doing so. They can own their own business, or sell vegetables on the side of the road- whatever works for them. Working is how many of us survive. You work for pay, then you pay your way. Cutting someone off from government bennies is not forcing them into labor. It's the real world.

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I never once mentioned government benefits. Where are you people getting this from?

Kreton said:

I never mentioned paying anyone to sit at home

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no you said people are forced into labor, which is not true here, I can type slower

Rocketman said:

no you said people are forced into labor, which is not true here, I can type slower

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Perhaps you should take your time and read slower rather than just browsing posts. You decided I was talking about unemployment benefits when nothing I posted even remotely along those lines. I honestly think you read something someone else posted and hit reply to me and are just arguing something I am not even talking about.

Kreton said:

I never once mentioned government benefits. Where are you people getting this from?

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For the most part, in this society, you either have to work, or get by on benefits from the taxpayer. So far, the majority are surviving by working, but that is a changing demographic in this part of the world. The alternative to those two choices (assuming you don't have someone who voluntarily supports you), is homelessness. Your claiming that people are being forced into labor just doesn't seem to jive with reality. Who is being forced, and by whom?

Kreton said:

Perhaps you should take your time and read slower rather than just browsing posts. You decided I was talking about unemployment benefits when nothing I posted even remotely along those lines. I honestly think you read something someone else posted and hit reply to me and are just arguing something I am not even talking about.

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so you admit you lied about forced labor, I accept your apology

This poll is awful, so I am not going to select any of the responses. However, the best ways to combat poverty are to:

1. Reduce the number of teen pregnancies and pregnancies out of wedlock.

2. Reduce the number of single parent households, specifically single mother households. There is probably no greater contributor to poverty than dead beat or absent fathers.

3. Better education.

How we do that is certainly very debatable, but those 3 things would have more of a positive impact towards reducing poverty than just about anything else.

pvsi said:

Select all that apply...

I believe many poor are misinformed and brainwashed by the media which pretends to care for the poor in order to fool them, like the Fox News pretends to be Christian and non main stream when it is in fact an international network itself. same with liberal networks such as MSNBC. same with so called public networks such as PBS - nothing public about it, so what if they get government funding and collect donations - it's management is never elected - they are all fraud. ANYWAY, try to think outside the TV box and ask YOURSELF from deep within - which is the best way to combat poverty, REALLY.... I will discuss my opinion later on.

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Rarely have I seen a poll with such badly skewed choices.

pvsi said:

Select all that apply...

I believe many poor are misinformed and brainwashed by the media which pretends to care for the poor in order to fool them, like the Fox News pretends to be Christian and non main stream when it is in fact an international network itself. same with liberal networks such as MSNBC. same with so called public networks such as PBS - nothing public about it, so what if they get government funding and collect donations - it's management is never elected - they are all fraud. ANYWAY, try to think outside the TV box and ask YOURSELF from deep within - which is the best way to combat poverty, REALLY.... I will discuss my opinion later on.

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I do not think any of those apply. I think the following is the best way government can set the conditions to get their citizens out of poverty-

1. Restrict legal immigration and crack down on illegal immigration and the scum who aid and hire illegals.Jobs are not some unlimited resource. When there is unemployment and a artificial surplus of workers a lot of people are not going to get jobs that pay well, they are going to be stuck working at a McDonalds or some other low wage job.

2.Improve our public k-12 schools.Most employers do not want to hire drop outs or will use a person's lack of education to pay that person less or to not promote that person. Empower districts to fire bad teachers like any other place of employment can fire bad employees. Enact parent trigger laws. Require that voters vote on any teacher union contracts since they are the ones picking up the tab.Allow school vouchers and charter schools in case the above fails.The education of our kids is far more important than the job security of any teacher or school official.

3.Require trade schools and colleges/universities to inform potential students of the likelihood that they will be able to get a job that requires the college education they are seeking as well as job predictions for those degree holders. People do not need to accumulate a unnecessary debt for a degree that may be of no value.Debt keeps some people in poverty.

4.Enact laws that will slowly raise minimum wage on it's own and make it go up and down depending on the cost of living on its own.

5.Encourage the creation of American companies.Raise tariffs of companies who outsource and raise tariffs on imported goods in order to give actual American companies equal footing with companies who pay workers next to nothing. Companies should be penalized for outsourcing to countries in order to exploit dirt cheap workers.Require that all government contracts be done with actual American companies that hire Americans.Free trade ****s Americans out of their jobs, encourages companies that do stay in America to cut corners on American made goods in order to compete with foreign made goods and strengthens the economy of enemy nations,dictatorships and communist nations which enables them to beef up their military strength and capabilities. No more engaging in "free trade" with countries whose values are contrast to ours and countries where workers make very little.

6.Lower taxes on businesses who hire mostly only full time workers and companies that have very little automation.

7..Either get rid of the employer mandate in Obama-care or if you are a supporter of Obama-care make it to apply to all businesses regardless or how many full time workers they have and regardless if they hire full time, part time, contract labor, temp service workers and or any other loophole a company may use to avoid the employer mandate.

SBu said:

It's not the government's job to combat poverty. It's job is to set conditions so that those in poverty have a reasonable chance to raise themselves out of that state.

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Exactly. We need to change our societal expectations from allowing people to sit on their asses collecting a government paycheck to expecting people to be responsible for themselves and if they're not, I'm fine with them starving.

GottaGo said:

Realistically, education and knowledge are the path out of poverty.

Unfortunately, you can lead a horse to water......

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You can indeed make them drink if you penalize them severely for not doing so.

SouthernDemocrat said:

This poll is awful, so I am not going to select any of the responses. However, the best ways to combat poverty are to:

1. Reduce the number of teen pregnancies and pregnancies out of wedlock.

2. Reduce the number of single parent households, specifically single mother households. There is probably no greater contributor to poverty than dead beat or absent fathers.

3. Better education.

How we do that is certainly very debatable, but those 3 things would have more of a positive impact towards reducing poverty than just about anything else.

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4. Require people to take responsibility for their actions and suffer the consequences thereof. That'll solve things real quick.

Cephus said:

4. Require people to take responsibility for their actions and suffer the consequences thereof. That'll solve things real quick.

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Easier said than done. Few people are willing to sit idly by and let a kid go without a home or without food because of the poor choices of their parents. Few people are going to let someone die outside of a hospital just because they are not able to pay for their own care.

SouthernDemocrat said:

Easier said than done. Few people are willing to sit idly by and let a kid go without a home or without food because of the poor choices of their parents. Few people are going to let someone die outside of a hospital just because they are not able to pay for their own care.

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No, it's not easier said than done. It just takes willpower. If a kid is not being taken care of by the parent(s), take the kid away. If someone needs emergency medical care, take care of them, then make sure they pay for it in the end. Don't allow anyone to get non-emergency care for free in the emergency rooms. It's not my fault that Americans largely lack balls.

Cephus said:

No, it's not easier said than done. It just takes willpower. If a kid is not being taken care of by the parent(s), take the kid away.

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In most cases that is not legally possible and even if it were, it would cost more to make the kid a ward of the state than it would to provide assistance to the family. Moreover, it would be extremely traumatic to the kids to break up the family like that.

If someone needs emergency medical care, take care of them, then make sure they pay for it in the end.

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Right, because its quite easy to recoup tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills from someone in the working poor…

Don't allow anyone to get non-emergency care for free in the emergency rooms.

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Impractical unfortunately because as soon as someone died as a result of being turned down care because they were deemed as not being an emergency, a huge lawsuit would result. A better solution would be to have urgent care centers next to emergency rooms so that non-emergencies could be treated by a nurse practitioner at a fraction of the cost.

It's not my fault that Americans largely lack balls.

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The problem is that most Americans have a conscious and have to be able to sleep at night, thus they have a hard time breaking up families or denying people medical care. I suspect you have a conscious as well and push come to shove, you couldn't do it either.

pvsi said:

Select all that apply...

I believe many poor are misinformed and brainwashed by the media which pretends to care for the poor in order to fool them, like the Fox News pretends to be Christian and non main stream when it is in fact an international network itself. same with liberal networks such as MSNBC. same with so called public networks such as PBS - nothing public about it, so what if they get government funding and collect donations - it's management is never elected - they are all fraud. ANYWAY, try to think outside the TV box and ask YOURSELF from deep within - which is the best way to combat poverty, REALLY.... I will discuss my opinion later on.

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I think we need to focus on our own country before we try to save the world. As much as im not saying end all foreign aid, you have to admit that when your own people are suffering you help them out before you help the people who are thousands of miles away.

SouthernDemocrat said:

In most cases that is not legally possible and even if it were, it would cost more to make the kid a ward of the state than it would to provide assistance to the family. Moreover, it would be extremely traumatic to the kids to break up the family like that.

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Laws change, we do it all the time. I'm not overly worried about causing trauma to the kids, I care about fixing the problem once and for all. It's no more traumatic for a kid to go live with someone else than it is for the kid to have insufficient food, clothing, etc. I'd argue that it's less so.

Right, because its quite easy to recoup tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills from someone in the working poor…

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I didn't say it would be easy, I just want people to understand that there's no free lunch. The working poor and the destitute usually have Medicare anyhow, which will cover their expenses. Many states have funds which help the poor with medical bills. I had a friend who was unemployed and went into the hospital with kidney failure, he had no money and the state paid the majority of his expenses. Even though he had no income, they still sent him a bill for some amount, I don't remember how much but it was a couple of thousand dollars, and he had to pay that off before he ever saw a tax refund again after he was working.

Impractical unfortunately because as soon as someone died as a result of being turned down care because they were deemed as not being an emergency, a huge lawsuit would result. A better solution would be to have urgent care centers next to emergency rooms so that non-emergencies could be treated by a nurse practitioner at a fraction of the cost.

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The legal system needs a major overhaul. There's way too much entitlement-happiness in this country. People don't just deserve things because they want them.

The problem is that most Americans have a conscious and have to be able to sleep at night, thus they have a hard time breaking up families or denying people medical care. I suspect you have a conscious as well and push come to shove, you couldn't do it either.

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And that's why this country is going to hell. We've raised a couple of generations of idiot liberals who think the world owes them, and everyone else, a living. I have no problem punishing anyone who makes bad decisions, acts irresponsibly and has their hand out to the government. Bailing them out time and time again only encourages them to continue their poor life choices. That's what's ruining this country.

Poverty won't disappear while we worship at the altar of competition and profit. Nor shall it be resolved by maligning people as 'losers'. It's not a magic word. Apathy and self-interest are the chief signatures of our time. No one cares for the poor until they can't be ignored. So we'll continue on our present course until the system collapses, as it inevitably must. Resources are finite and the rich-poor divide can't widen forever. When the **** hits the fan, there'll be revolution. The whole thing will domino, and we'll have Socialism or some other economic format that closely resembles it. For those that cling to the fool's hope of addressing the issue with charity or some stillborn political initiative, how's that worked out so far?

In large part, only ideology has served to waylay the inevitable for as long as it has. It may not happen in our lifetimes, but it's in the mail.

Tick Tock.

jamesrage said:

1. Restrict legal immigration and crack down on illegal immigration and the scum who aid and hire illegals.Jobs are not some unlimited resource. When there is unemployment and a artificial surplus of workers a lot of people are not going to get jobs that pay well, they are going to be stuck working at a McDonalds or some other low wage job.

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Should it be started by restricting US military all over the world? or Americans are special, and this only applies to the poor people who come into USA?

SMTA said:

All potatoes, no meat.

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I can think of a Dead kennedys' song that has more solutions than any of the selections

Looks like baby smokes too much ...:hitsfan: