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Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?

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Goshin said:
There are other things besides lung cancer. Both of my parents died of emphysema. Dad quit smoking at 50, lived to be 79. Mom never quit, lived to be 81. Something will get you eventually... but I think both could have lived another 5-10 yrs and enjoyed a better quality of life if they'd never smoked.

And yeah, I'm 48 now and I still struggle with it. I'm trying the e-cig thing in my latest efforts to quit the real deal. I wish I'd never lit the first one too.
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yep... my grandfather smoked at least two packs a day for as long as I can remember and cigars to boot. according to his story he started smoking at age 14 and never quit. never had any health issues, healthy as a horse, tripped and fell down a flight of stairs at age 93 and broke his neck.

something will always get you.

I think genetics plays a big part in it. most of my family (aunts, uncles, cousins) smokes, none of them have ever had any issues. I have been smoking for 35 years and I have no smoking related health issues. Hell, I once quit for 8 years and I had more health issues in those 8 years than I've had the rest of my life combined.

and then again I've seen smokers with all kinds of medical issues from it.

and then I've seen people who never smoked that have the same kinds of issues that many smokers have. My mother-in-law never smoked, was never around people who smoked and she died of lung cancer when she was 59
maybe it's luck, maybe it's genetics. but I do know it is not as simple as "smoking causes xyz"
 
OscarB63 said:
true and I'm not saying smoking is a good idea, I just think that if we start making some stupid crap illegal then it won't be long before they start wanting to make any and everything that "might" be bad for you illegal. (FWIW, in several places they have already tried)
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Well I don't want to make smoking illegal. I just wish people would practice common sense when it comes to their kids. I think some smokers are just so into their addiction that they justify it to themselves because they just want to have a cigarette, that's how strong the addiction is. After a while, you don't control the cigarettes, they control you.
 
ChrisL said:
I guess we just have to accept the fact that some people are idiots and they are going to have children.
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Somebody had a Nirvana moment. :mrgreen:
 
Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?
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Not just no, HELL NO!

There is no proof whatsoever that someone smoking a cigarette in a car necessarily harms children or has ever harmed a child.

Next thing you know pigs would be using the law to violate people's civil rights and steal their hard earned money. Just like they do with other banned substances.
 
As long as it is legal then they need to keep their noses out of our affairs. Until they ban smoking out right then they should have no say what so ever. Tired of this nanny state crap.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't think that is always the case. Just because the baby isn't crying doesn't mean that the smoke isn't causing damage.
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Doesn't mean that it is causing damage either.

I think the vast majority of people will not let the smoke go into a baby's face. Cars have windows.
 
Muhammed said:
Doesn't mean that it is causing damage either.

I think the vast majority of people will not let the smoke go into a baby's face. Cars have windows.
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It's still a stupid idea.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't think that is always the case. Just because the baby isn't crying doesn't mean that the smoke isn't causing damage.
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And just because the baby IS crying doesn't mean the baby is hurting.
 
ChrisL said:
It's still a stupid idea.
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Every time I smoke in the car I have the window cracked enough to draw out the smoke like a chimney. Most smokers do. (hot boxing cigarettes is not that fun or "cool"...unlike hot boxing MJ) How is that affecting any child?
 
Kal'Stang said:
And just because the baby IS crying doesn't mean the baby is hurting.
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Yeah, I know. I wasn't the one who initially claimed that the baby crying had anything to do with it. That was Muhammed. I said that the baby crying or not crying does mean there isn't any kind of damage being done.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Every time I smoke in the car I have the window cracked enough to draw out the smoke like a chimney. Most smokers do. (hot boxing cigarettes is not that fun or "cool"...unlike hot boxing MJ) How is that affecting any child?
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Because some smoke will still get in the car. Can't you smell it? Probably not because you are a smoker, but I guarantee that nonsmokers can smell smoke on your child/children, on you and your clothing and in your vehicle. Besides, why wouldn't you just wait? Why would you take that risk with your children's health? That doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe you could pull over and smoke outside of your vehicle.
 
Kal'Stang said:
And just because the baby IS crying doesn't mean the baby is hurting.
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Speaking as a father of 5, I know that's true too.

I think sometimes they just cry for the exercise. But it sounds different than when they are hurting for something like sleep, nourishment, attention, protection or pain relief.
 
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ChrisL said:
Because some smoke will still get in the car. Can't you smell it? Probably not because you are a smoker, but I guarantee that nonsmokers can smell smoke on your child/children, on you and your clothing and in your vehicle. Besides, why wouldn't you just wait? Why would you take that risk with your children's health? That doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe you could pull over and smoke outside of your vehicle.
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The cigarette smell could be from several sources. Could be from smoking while kids are not in the car, could be from ashtray, could be from smoking passengers when kids are not there, could be from the residue on your clothes which transfer to the seats and many many other reasons. I've yet to see smoke in the back of a car when my kids are there. If any does get back there it is so little as to be irrelevent. They'll get worse toxins from the car itself and the cars that are also driving on the road. Indeed you have more chance of getting into an accident than giving a child lung cancer with a window open. If you want to wonder about putting your child at risk then think on that. Unless you live in a bubble house your kids are put at risk all the time. Much of it needless.
 
rocket88 said:
I'm not saying you should be able to smoke anywhere and everywhere, but a car is private property. That's only a step away from saying you can't smoke in your house.
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Yeah, I had that thought too, but the car is different in that driving is a priviledge and licensed by the state. Driving is not a private activity. You cannot drink while driving, but you can drink in your home. And it does cause accidents, people aren't hands free when smoking, trying to locate the ashtray, light the cig, etc. I think the state has a legitimate interest here.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Every time I smoke in the car I have the window cracked enough to draw out the smoke like a chimney. Most smokers do. (hot boxing cigarettes is not that fun or "cool"...unlike hot boxing MJ) How is that affecting any child?
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Seriously???? Honestly????

Are you that blind to what happens in a car???

Do you have kids?

Do you restrain then in car seats, then proceed to smoke inside the same car?

Do you actually do that and think you're not having any effect on them at all?????
 
ChrisL said:
Because some smoke will still get in the car. Can't you smell it? Probably not because you are a smoker, but I guarantee that nonsmokers can smell smoke on your child/children, on you and your clothing and in your vehicle. Besides, why wouldn't you just wait? Why would you take that risk with your children's health? That doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe you could pull over and smoke outside of your vehicle.
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Letting fat kids eat pop tarts and drink pop all day. We need to stop that child abuse too! But that's another thread, I know. :). Oh, I just remembered, Michelle is working on that already.
 
Montecresto said:
Starting to see more and more anti-texting billboards in the area. They tend to be very witty. An ambulance, lights on, blazing down the road and the caption says, "don't want these guys responding to your text".
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Yep here too but, I'm proposing a moratorium on the release of technology until human intelligence catches up.

We are currently in stupid mode.
 
Fiddytree said:
In an odd way, banning texting in cars sometimes give incentive for even more dangerous in-car texting. Young people apparently haven't heard of having their smartphones dial friends and family.
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At this point I would support a ban on doing ANYTHING while driving. [other than driving itself]
 
WCH said:
At this point I would support a ban on doing ANYTHING while driving. [other than driving itself]
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If it arguably increases the problem it attempts to solve, I tend to err on the side of not.
 
WCH said:
At this point I would support a ban on doing ANYTHING while driving. [other than driving itself]
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Eating while driving while not typically specifically outlawed, MAY be an offence.

: Is it legal to drive while eating or drinking (non-alcoholic, of course)?

A: State law doesn’t specifically prohibit eating or drinking non-alcoholic beverages while driving.

But police say there is another statute that may come into play.

Drivers can be ticketed for second-degree negligent driving when they are engaged in an activity that “operates a motor vehicle in a manner that is both negligent and endangers or is likely to endanger any person or property,” according to state law.

That offense carries a $250 fine.


“Negligent,” according to the statute, “means the failure to exercise ordinary care, and is the doing of some act that a reasonably careful person would not do under the same or similar circumstances or the failure to do something that a reasonably careful person would do under the same or similar circumstances.”

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I support the ban, smoking with children in the car should be considered child abuse.
 
digsbe said:
I support the ban, smoking with children in the car should be considered child abuse.
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A little extreme, digsbe... consider how much pollution kids are exposed to by passing diesel trucks...
 
Goshin said:
A little extreme, digsbe... consider how much pollution kids are exposed to by passing diesel trucks...
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The smoking in the car is a purposeful act though, it can be limited and it does put children in harm.
 
WCH said:
At this point I would support a ban on doing ANYTHING while driving. [other than driving itself]
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That's too funny. Not entirely a bad idea either.
 
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