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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

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    You are making a claim. A claim that I disagree with... I know what I know. If you know more then you shove that **** down my throat with evidence... to not do so is to admit defeat. If you can't... have a nice day and remain you...

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    There is no panacea in any state agencies, which are charged with managing abandoned, abused, and neglected kids. It cost between 2000.00 to 5000.00 a month (per child) for the state to place kids who are not considered to be "special needs". Those children can cost a state 10.000 a month and up.

    Most CPS agencies are working on a shoestring budget. Caseworkers might carry 50 plus kids. They work endless hours. They are significantly underpaid. The burnout rate is like 3 years. The paperwork produced on each kid per month is beyond belief.

    My point is that there is no conspiracy at work here by agencies to abduct kids and make sure that their lives are miserable. What possible motive do you suspect is at play according to your claim?

    Being under CPS manage is the last place kids need to be...granted.

    But I assure you that I've seen many, many, many abusive, neglect, etc parents lie their asses off in court. We live in a world where not all things are equal by any stretch of the imagination. My role in representing children was to do just that...I worked for the kids, not the CPS, not the state's interest, not the parents. It might amaze you that some kids being a ward of the state are safer. And believe me when I tell you that I'm not a fan of children being away from their families. But when their families are the source of their being physically and mentally disassembled and exploited...just know that there are a hell of a lot of people who should never have the right to reproduce.


    I agree that there truly are abused children out there and CPS does a lousy job at protecting them as well....The motive? Thanks to the ASFA law (adoptions and safe families act), a situation was created in which bonuses are paid for each child adopted out of foster care..The bonuses are from $4000 to $6000 per child.. Once this bonus was established, the number of babies adopted doubled even tho the law was set up to help teens...Just in the State of Oklahoma, children in state custody has soured from about 8000 four years ago to almost 10, 500 today. Children are not being reunified with their families, even when service plans have been complied with.....Child deaths in foster care are soaring as well...

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I agree that there truly are abused children out there and CPS does a lousy job at protecting them as well....The motive? Thanks to the ASFA law (adoptions and safe families act), a situation was created in which bonuses are paid for each child adopted out of foster care..The bonuses are from $4000 to $6000 per child.. Once this bonus was established, the number of babies adopted doubled even tho the law was set up to help teens...Just in the State of Oklahoma, children in state custody has soured from about 8000 four years ago to almost 10, 500 today. Children are not being reunified with their families, even when service plans have been complied with.....Child deaths in foster care are soaring as well...
    To the bolded: Seriously? I had no idea. Wow.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Honestly..... thread completely derailed ....




    You guys need to GET A ROOM.

    No, someone brought CPS into the discussion because they felt smoking around children was child neglect and should be referred to Child Protection Services.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You're free to move.


    So are you..

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To the bolded: Seriously? I had no idea. Wow.


    Very true, Lizzie.. It is outrageous, and how these agencies make money..

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not all or nothing, and regulations are not new. I think some common sense concerns for children isn't a horrible thing.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not all or nothing, and regulations are not new. I think some common sense concerns for children isn't a horrible thing.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I agree that there truly are abused children out there and CPS does a lousy job at protecting them as well....The motive? Thanks to the ASFA law (adoptions and safe families act), a situation was created in which bonuses are paid for each child adopted out of foster care..The bonuses are from $4000 to $6000 per child.. Once this bonus was established, the number of babies adopted doubled even tho the law was set up to help teens...Just in the State of Oklahoma, children in state custody has soured from about 8000 four years ago to almost 10, 500 today. Children are not being reunified with their families, even when service plans have been complied with.....Child deaths in foster care are soaring as well...
    There is a lot more to the story. There 10s of thousands of children who are not nor ever will be adopted even by foster families. Many kids spend there life's in the system...despite the ASFA. Why? Many are minority children. Many have been abused and have serious behavior issues. Many were born to addict mothers.

    The bonus isn't very much in comparison to potential life long problems.

    On cell. Can't go into details, but the ASFA doesn't help place children in a way that drives CPS to purposely not return kids to family. I'll be back. Thanks.

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