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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And you think the government has every business completely regulating any and all health risks using force if needed?
    This keeps coming back to a simple and logical point.

    You have every right to F yourself up all you want.
    Your right to do that however stops when it starts f-ing with someone elses rights.
    Especially when it's a restrained child in a very close environment.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    This keeps coming back to a simple and logical point.

    You have every right to F yourself up all you want.
    Your right to do that however stops when it starts f-ing with someone elses rights.
    Especially when it's a restrained child in a very close environment.
    Unless they are 9 or up.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    This keeps coming back to a simple and logical point.

    You have every right to F yourself up all you want.
    Your right to do that however stops when it starts f-ing with someone elses rights.
    Especially when it's a restrained child in a very close environment.
    So now the government is going to force you to be a better parent.

    When has the government ever been good at anything?

    Is that the place of the government?

    Also.... Why hasn't the government banned smoking on streets, in your own backyard if you are close enough to your neighbors by X amount of feet that the neighbor could reasonably have to suffer the smell when blown by the wind?

    What about a law not allowing your vehicle to exhaust vehicle fumes near a pedestrian on a sidewalk?

    No driving in mud/water puddles that may splash nearby pedestrians?

    Im sorry, using your criteria the list of LAWS can go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.


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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

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    That isn't the America I want to live in.
    You're free to move.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    How does CPS decide when to remove a child from his parents? | news10.net

    The above source explains the procedures CPS is supposed to follow. And how often that is not the case.

    Father of foster child who died speaks to KVUE | kvue.com Austin

    ^CPS took this child from her parents because they smoked pot. She died in foster care.

    There's much more where that came from--
    While you're swimming through all of those links that point out the horrible things...everything from the CPS abductions and maltreatment of children by foster homes. See how many you can find about tens of thousands (perhaps 100s of thousands) parents who have abused and neglected...and abandoned their kids that caused their kids to be come awards of the state. If a kid winds up as a ward of the state...that is abuse in and of itself. Oh, don't forget about all of the parents who have brutalized, tortured, and murdered their kids. They missed out on all of the abuse at the hands of the state.

    State governments have for years consistently cut funding to agencies who are charged with the huge tasks of providing some type of safety net for kids. There is an oxymoron at work when funding is cut to these agencies. It's usually done by those legislators who cry about abortion and the killing of the poor little innocent unborn. Or who work to cut social services which feed kids and provide health care. Kids can't advocate for themselves. They aren't responsible for their parents failings. Go figure?

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So now the government is going to force you to be a better parent.
    There are already laws to that point. If you feel this is the one thing that will tip the scales toward all-out totalitarianism, then I will be sure to find the complete score to The Road and play the smallest violin in the world.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I don't think that there is 100% evidence either way...
    100% evidence shows their is no connection.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Honestly..... thread completely derailed ....




    You guys need to GET A ROOM.
    No, CPS is involved in this discussion since people have foolishly stated that smoking in a car with children is child abuse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    While you're swimming through all of those links that point out the horrible things...everything from the CPS abductions and maltreatment of children by foster homes. See how many you can find about tens of thousands (perhaps 100s of thousands) parents who have abused and neglected...and abandoned their kids that caused their kids to be come awards of the state. If a kid winds up as a ward of the state...that is abuse in and of itself. Oh, don't forget about all of the parents who have brutalized, tortured, and murdered their kids. They missed out on all of the abuse at the hands of the state.

    State governments have for years consistently cut funding to agencies who are charged with the huge tasks of providing some type of safety net for kids. There is an oxymoron at work when funding is cut to these agencies. It's usually done by those legislators who cry about abortion and the killing of the poor little innocent unborn. Or who work to cut social services which feed kids and provide health care. Kids can't advocate for themselves. They aren't responsible for their parents failings. Go figure?
    Is your answer making new laws and adding to the bureaucracy? This approach is not logical.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    No, CPS is involved in this discussion since people have foolishly stated that smoking in a car with children is child abuse.

    Is your answer making new laws and adding to the bureaucracy? This approach is not logical.
    New laws? Adding to Bureaucracy? That's hilarious. I never stated an answer...only pointed out the realities about the system and it's relationship to parents who abuse, neglect and abandon (oh and murder) their kids. And my comments...had nothing specifically about smoking.

    So I assume that you are supporting not regulating parents ability to smoke around their kids? Or more specifically smoke inside of a car, which also has children present?

    No disrespect to you personally, but given the undeniable data that tobacco products are seriously dangerous, and children are powerless to remove themselves from environments which has the potential to cause them harm.

    I'd say people who adamantly speak out against children being protected from a known danger (cigarette/or the like smoke)...is an addict's swan song. Sooner or later...protecting kids will happen. And it looks like sooner might be he case.

    How that type of regulation or law might play out in CPS...I don't have a clue.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    New laws? Adding to Bureaucracy? That's hilarious. I never stated an answer...only pointed out the realities about the system and it's relationship to parents who abuse, neglect and abandon (oh and murder) their kids. And my comments...had nothing specifically about smoking.

    So I assume that you are supporting not regulating parents ability to smoke around their kids? Or more specifically smoke inside of a car, which also has children present?

    No disrespect to you personally, but given the undeniable data that tobacco products are seriously dangerous, and children are powerless to remove themselves from environments which has the potential to cause them harm.

    I'd say people who adamantly speak out against children being protected from a known danger (cigarette/or the like smoke)...is an addict's swan song. Sooner or later...protecting kids will happen. And it looks like sooner might be he case.

    How that type of regulation or law might play out in CPS...I don't have a clue.
    My point is this: yes, I acknowledge that smoking is unhealthy and kids shouldn't be exposed to that. And granted, parents who smoke around their kids are self centered douche bags. However, I cannot support more restrictions based on harm that might or might not take place. An entire generation of people grew up with parents who smoked in cars. Most of them are fine. If we start make laws based on what might happen, society will definitely become too restrictive. Of course exceptions do exist, and they need to be handled on a case by case basis. If a child has asthma and is constantly exposed to cigarette smoke, his or her life could be an immediate danger. THAT would be a situation where CPS could already intervene without a smoke ban placed on everyone else. But adding another law to an increasing bureaucracy is foolish. There is a long list of actions parents should avoid around children. Do all of them need bans? In a free society, people need to be able to govern themselves. This requires an educated population. With that in mind, I can see why people are being dumbed down.
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