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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes. Normally children are not removed from the home without some kind of evidence. The scenarios you are talking about are not the normal. I don't know what is going on there, but that is not how it works in my state.


    As I said, this is happening all over the country.. Even spousal abuse is a reason for CPS to take your kids, or a complaint from a teacher, neighbor or family member....It is becoming the norm... They make money on these cases and much more money if and when they can get these kids adopted out...

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    As I said, this is happening all over the country.. Even spousal abuse is a reason for CPS to take your kids, or a complaint from a teacher, neighbor or family member....It is becoming the norm... They make money on these cases and much more money if and when they can get these kids adopted out...
    I don't know where you're from, but where I'm from, there are steps that have to be taken. They don't just show up at your door and take your child because of a report. A report is only the first step in the process.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know where you're from, but where I'm from, there are steps that have to be taken. They don't just show up at your door and take your child because of a report. A report is only the first step in the process.


    That is the way it is "supposed" to be for sure... "Child Protective Services False Allegations" I believe is another website about this subject.. Many of the recent cases have been in Oregon, California, Massachusetts, Illinois, Georgia, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma, but most states have such cases...

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know where you're from, but where I'm from, there are steps that have to be taken. They don't just show up at your door and take your child because of a report. A report is only the first step in the process.

    A report is followed by an affidavit, which is all they need...

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    A report is followed by an affidavit, which is all they need...
    IF they have an emergency order because they believe a child might be in immediate danger, yes.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    IF they have an emergency order because they believe a child might be in immediate danger, yes.


    You are just not getting it....one of so many Americans that are in denial of what is actually happening in this country....Take some time and actually research this problem..CPS has more power than your police dept... I was not talking about emergency orders on an actual case of abuse....

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You are confusing legality with ability, which is silly.
    Eh, you're forgetting that ability only comes as a result of legality.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Eh, you're forgetting that ability only comes as a result of legality.
    Except murder is illegal, and the ability is available for almost all.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except murder is illegal, and the ability is available for almost all.
    Yes and there are consequences and statistical evidence showing that murder occurs on a daily basis. Show us statistical evidence that case workers regularly ignore procedure. I'll wait.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Look, I have to go by personal experience and observation...My parents were raised in a smoking household, as was I, my children and my children's children...Nobody has asthma, cancer or a respiratory illness....I take all medical studies with a grain of salt...There are many factors that contribute to such illnesses. Smoking may or may not be "one" of these factors...
    Thanks, but I think I'll take the CDC, Mayo Clinic, National Institute of Health, Surgeon General, National Cancer Institute, American Cancer Society, John Hopkins University, British Medical Journal, the Sloan-Kettering Institute study, and the British Doctors study over your personal experience and observation. See, there's a reason anecdotal evidence isn't a good source for scientific arguments: it's patchy, undisciplined, and your tiny uninvestigated experience in your contained world may have little to do with the whole picture.


    Your position in this thread amounts to nothing more than pseudoscience at best, and straight up science denialism at worst (though it looks like a mixture of the two). It's the reliance on anecdotal evidence combined with your distrust of science shown in post 583 that make parents refuse to vaccinate their children.
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