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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    How about a limo? The adults can roll up the glass partition and smoke away and the kids can travel in style.
    Perfect solution!

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    As long at they open a window first, I bet some will reason.
    The word I would use is rationalize.

    It is simply a bad excuse to try to justify one's own selfishness.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    I think there are WAY too many laws as it is.

    But any parent that wants to fight for the 'right' to smoke in a car with children in it so they can lawfully shorten these kids lives is one (insert insult) ________________ parent.

    If anyone smoked in my car with children passengers...they would either butt out or get out.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    As long at they open a window first, I bet some will reason.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Cars are not in constant motion. Stop lights. Stop signs. Traffic. There's not a constant strong vacuum out a cracked window.

    Again - take some windex and a white paper towel and go clean the back windows of a smokers car.

    It's all right there in it's gross brownish-yellow glory.

    An adult smoking in a car is effectively MAKING a child smoke too.

    It's really THAT simple.

    Would you walk into your child's bedroom while they're sleeping, close the door, and light up a cigarette?
    Is that reasonable behavior for an adult?
    Good points DF.

    A lot of smokers believe that the cracked window theory works. However, many have different behaviors when smoking in a car when the car is and isn't occupied by passengers. Despite any specific cautions used by opening windows, there are studies that show that risks are still present.

    Just as you noted in your post, there have been studies show that gaseous and particulate components of tobacco smoke absorb into the upholstery and other surfaces inside a car, and then re-emmited back into the air (aka 3rd hand smoke) over the course of many days, exposing passengers to toxins long after anyone actually smoked in the car.

    Thirdhand smoke causes DNA damage in human cells

    Berkeley Lab Confirms Thirdhand Smoke Causes DNA Damage « Berkeley Lab News Center

    In some experiments, volunteer smokers smoked inside the vehicles under controlled conditions with different window positions, vent settings, air conditioner settings, and vehicle speeds while we measured the interior pollutants such as carbon monoxide, fine particulate matter, and the carcinogen benzene.

    With the windows closed and the vent set on “recirculation,” the air change rate was less than 7 air changes per hour for all speeds and all cars tested. Opening a window by just 3” increased the vehicle’s air change rate by 8 to 12 times. With passive ventilation – air vents open and no fan or air conditioning – the air change rate was directly proportional to the vehicle’s speed from 14 to 72 mph. Particles decrease more rapidly than predicted by the air change rate because they stick to interior surfaces.

    The air change rate determines the persistence of pollutants inside a vehicle, and it also is important for understanding the rate at which pollutants on the roadway enter the vehicle, or the "sheltering effect” of a car. With the windows closed and recirculation on (or the air conditioner set to maximum), we found that a single cigarette caused extremely high interior concentrations of fine particulate matter (PM2.5, or particles less than 2.5 micrometers in diameter), with levels over 2,000 micrograms per cubic meter.

    PM2.5 can enter deep into the lungs and has a health-based outdoor air quality standard of 35 micrograms averaged over 24 hours set by the USEPA. If averaged over 24 hours, a single cigarette smoked in a car would cause a personal exposure of 21 micrograms, and smoking two cigarettes would bring the average to 42 micrograms, exceeding the federal air quality standard for PM2.5. The high fine particle concentrations inside a motor vehicle from smoking suggests there is a serious health risk to both adults and children traveling in a car with a smoker.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Cars are not in constant motion. Stop lights. Stop signs. Traffic. There's not a constant strong vacuum out a cracked window.

    Again - take some windex and a white paper towel and go clean the back windows of a smokers car.

    It's all right there in it's gross brownish-yellow glory.

    An adult smoking in a car is effectively MAKING a child smoke too.

    It's really THAT simple.

    Would you walk into your child's bedroom while they're sleeping, close the door, and light up a cigarette?
    Is that reasonable behavior for an adult?
    I most fervently disagree. Your comparison is not the same and is apples and oranges.

    Yes, cars stop and are not in motion. However, there is a federal standard for automobiles that make the OEMs have positive ventilation at all times, essentially the fan set on low all the time to discharge any gasoline fumes out of the passenger cabin - back from the days when that was a problem - don't think it is any more.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Who cares about the law...what about your children's health?
    My children's health is fine. No ill effects, at least not from this. I smoke out in the garage when I'm home.
    Last edited by eohrnberger; 01-08-14 at 11:31 AM.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

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    Man, it just burns me up thinking about all those do-gooders who would restrict MY rights to expose my children to carcinogens.

    they are all just blowing smoke!
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I most fervently disagree.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    It's not that, when you are factually wrong. I know cars, and I've not stated anything that wasn't fact.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I most fervently disagree. Your comparison is not the same and is apples and oranges.

    Yes, cars stop and are not in motion. However, there is a federal standard for automobiles that make the OEMs have positive ventilation at all times, essentially the fan set on low all the time to discharge any gasoline fumes out of the passenger cabin - back from the days when that was a problem - don't think it is any more.



    My children's health is fine. No ill effects, at least not from this. I smoke out in the garage when I'm home.
    Do you ever smoke in the car with your children?

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