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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Nothing better than taking money from parents with small children?
    Maybe if they didn't smoke they would have more. Or they could simply obey the law and not smoke while driving in their cars with children in them.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Not being able to breath is no big deal?
    Not being able to breath??

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    IMO, smoking in a closed area with children, even others, is going over the line..
    What we need is a better education and a better people.
    Having a law against this is too difficult and costly to effectively enforce.

    Just curious. How do you define "enclosed space"? Would being in the same room qualify? What about different rooms of the same house?

    smoking around kids is undoubtedly a bad idea. I'm not certain though that we need new laws to combat every bad idea out there.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    So ban cigarettes?
    Really. This constant beating around the bush they enjoy doing so much is annoying. Just get it over with already. ****.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    How much of the objection to this is the whole "our government is becoming a dictatorship and overstepping their boundaries"

    and how much is defending the act of smoking in a closely contained environment, like a car, with small children present?

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    If you would risk your kids health over some stupid political philosophy...Oh, are you saying they are just making the argument and dont really smoke around their kids? That makes me feel better. Hope you are right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    How much of the objection to this is the whole "our government is becoming a dictatorship and overstepping their boundaries"

    and how much is defending the act of smoking in a closely contained environment, like a car, with small children present?
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If you would risk your kids health over some stupid political philosophy...Oh, are you saying they are just making the argument and dont really smoke around their kids? That makes me feel better. Hope you are right.
    I'm thinking most don't smoke, but are objecting to "more laws" by a government that's "getting too intrusive".

    I'm hoping too.

    I'd bet many of those objecting don't have kids either.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I'm thinking most don't smoke, but are objecting to "more laws" by a government that's "getting too intrusive".

    I'm hoping too.

    I'd bet many of those objecting don't have kids either.
    Some of it is that, but most of what I'm seeing is self absorbed addict logic.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The PROBLEM is that you would have to prove that in court in order to have the child removed. You would have to prove that the cigarette smoke is the definitive CAUSE instead of just an exacerbation of asthma, which some people get quite often due to many, many different factors. Do you realize how difficult that is?
    Even if it doesn't cause a problem - and instead it aggravates something so difficult for a child to deal with like chronic asthma that they've had since birth - it's still negligent.

    It's not okay to know that someone has health issues, and then to do the very thing that will aggravate that condition further.

    My son has suffered from two near-fatal episodes of croup. We're not sure what the cause is, but because he's had it seasonally it's most likely that it's related to some type of allergy. We're not sure, we haven't figured it out yet. So my job - as a loving parent - is to make his health issue LESS of a problem by keeping the home relatively allergen free and clean.

    My job is NOT to place my personal, self-driven desires ahead of my child.

    I don't like to clean all the time but I do it anyway.

    And I smoke on occasion - but you don't hear me arguing that it's my right and okay for me to smoke in his presence.

    Why? Because I respect my son. I don't want to aggravate his condition further by pleasing myself. That would be monstrous - even if that self pleasure only irritates an existing condition and isn't the cause of it.

    That's the quintessential element of being humane and respectful toward others = avoiding activities and decisions that make their life more uncomfortable and more miserable.

    Seriously - someone can stand up, put their shoes on, and pitter-pat right out that front door. They won't die if they don't get their smoke right now.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Even if it doesn't cause a problem - and instead it aggravates something so difficult for a child to deal with like chronic asthma that they've had since birth - it's still negligent.

    It's not okay to know that someone has health issues, and then to do the very thing that will aggravate that condition further.

    My son has suffered from two near-fatal episodes of croup. We're not sure what the cause is, but because he's had it seasonally it's most likely that it's related to some type of allergy. We're not sure, we haven't figured it out yet. So my job - as a loving parent - is to make his health issue LESS of a problem by keeping the home relatively allergen free and clean.

    My job is NOT to place my personal, self-driven desires ahead of my child.

    I don't like to clean all the time but I do it anyway.

    And I smoke on occasion - but you don't hear me arguing that it's my right and okay for me to smoke in his presence.

    Why? Because I respect my son. I don't want to aggravate his condition further by pleasing myself. That would be monstrous - even if that self pleasure only irritates an existing condition and isn't the cause of it.

    That's the quintessential element of being humane and respectful toward others = avoiding activities and decisions that make their life more uncomfortable and more miserable.

    Seriously - someone can stand up, put their shoes on, and pitter-pat right out that front door. They won't die if they don't get their smoke right now.
    That's not the point I was arguing. You would have to have read this thread to understand. I am simply arguing against banning or taking children away from parents for smoking. Asthma exacerbations or other such chronic lung diseases can and are caused by secondhand smoke, and I'm not arguing that point, but that cannot be proven in a court of law, and we cannot take children away from families because of some remote connection that a person makes between a smoking habit and an asthma exacerbation, when the cause of an asthma exacerbation and other illnesses are not always easy to pinpoint.

    Do you want to take a child away from their family because of an asthma exacerbation?

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