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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What are you talking about? Do you want a kid to stay with a parent that does not care if the kid can breath or not? I specifically talked about an asthmaitc kid going to the hospital repeated with an asthma attack whose parents smoke, I have seen little kids come in wheezing so you could hear them accross the ER and they reeked of cigarette smoke. Think about Maslow, which is more important Oxygen or family relationships?
    The PROBLEM is that you would have to prove that in court in order to have the child removed. You would have to prove that the cigarette smoke is the definitive CAUSE instead of just an exacerbation of asthma, which some people get quite often due to many, many different factors. Do you realize how difficult that is?

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Not being able to breath is no big deal?
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    An egregious home environment would have to consist of more than just smoking cigarettes to justify removing children from the home. Like I said earlier, that, at MOST, would be considered a form of neglect and is FAR from the most serious kinds. You really should look into real physical/sexual abuse that children endure and how slow CPS are to move and how they fail a lot of children in their care. Then you would see how ridiculous it would be to overburden that system with parents who smoke.
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Actually the case that broght the up, the child was removed. No one I know of denies cigarette smoke can cause an asthma attack. The kid comes in reeking of smoke and is turning blue, damn right the child should be taken from the parents. Sucks not being able to breath.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The PROBLEM is that you would have to prove that in court in order to have the child removed. You would have to prove that the cigarette smoke is the definitive CAUSE instead of just an exacerbation of asthma, which some people get quite often due to many, many different factors. Do you realize how difficult that is?
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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Not being able to breath is no big deal?
    Obviously you are not understanding. You cannot take children from their parents here in America without some type of proof that there is intentional wrongdoing. Do you realize the can of worms you would be opening here? You cannot PROVE that an asthma exacerbation is due to a parent smoking in the home. This is NOT my personal opinion. These are facts. You can't take children away from parents without a DARN good reason and provable reason.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Actually the case that broght the up, the child was removed. No one I know of denies cigarette smoke can cause an asthma attack. The kid comes in reeking of smoke and is turning blue, damn right the child should be taken from the parents. Sucks not being able to breath.
    Of course it can. I don't deny that either. I am saying that you cannot prove the cause of an asthma exacerbation. It could be caused by allergens.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Only if we stray hopelessly from the topic. Facts:

    a)cigarette smoke is a known carcinogen with links to numerous health problems (including death)
    b)opening a window does not actually prevent cigarette smoke from entering the entire vehicle, as any smoker or passenger already well knows.
    c)children have extremely limited powers in preventing parents from smoking. Sure, they can ask the parent to stop smoking, but if the parent insists then the child is crap out of luck.

    The rest of this thread has been amusing navel gazing, but the above is what's important. As I said earlier, we don't need to bring the slippery slope into this since the ban can be defended on its own merits.

    Well, thank you for your opinion. I have mine, and it obviously differs from yours.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, thank you for your opinion. I have mine, and it obviously differs from yours.
    None of what I said in that post was subjective and open to interpretation. That's why I called them "facts."

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    None of what I said in that post was subjective and open to interpretation. That's why I called them "facts."
    I don't consider much of anything in your post to resemble facts. That's why I thanked you for your opinion. So, thanks for your opinion, again.

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    Re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Of course it can. I don't deny that either. I am saying that you cannot prove the cause of an asthma exacerbation. It could be caused by allergens.
    If a child displays health problems consistent with chronic cigarette smoke inhalation, reeks of cigarette smoke, the parents demonstrated being smokers and the home subsequently found to be outrageously filled with smoke, a court could likely dismiss allergens as a possible explanation for the child's health problems.

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