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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Freedom would include the freedom to make what you view as poor choices, as well as being able to decide how to spend the money they earned, and not get punished for it.

    WRT cost, yeah, sure, if you go and buy the heavily (some would say over) taxed smokes over the counter. Rolling your own is much cheaper.

    It's not for you or the government to decide how one chooses to spend their money. This is beyond the proper role for government.
    You still seem to be confused as to what this thread is about. I would suggest re-reading the OP, although just taking a look at the thread title alone should catch you up to speed.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    My ex and my husband were both raised in smoker homes - they both had health issues related to it.

    I consider smoking in a confined space with children and elderly who cannot consent to the exposure (home, car, van, bus, church, wherever you want to put the scenario) on a continuous basis to be neglect and abuse.

    There's no excuse for it except that some people are selfish and don't actually care about their children like they're supposed to. That offends some smokers - oh well. If a parent / step parent / grand parent can't make the right choices for the betterment of the child then someone else MUST do so. People just don't like being told that what they're doing is WRONG.

    Oh well - it's WRONG. Grow up and get over it. Go outside. Too inconvenient? Then quit. Just don't pretend that your foul choices aren't harmful to others - we're not stupid.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If an asthmatic kid had to go to they hospital a couple of times....
    Yes but you can't prove that, and you can't just take kids from their parents like that. That is a serious thing that can potentially mess up a child for life. Imagine being a child and living with your mom and dad and perhaps some siblings, and then being ripped away from them and everything you ever knew and your security to be forced to live with complete strangers!!! You can't just remove children from parents willy nilly like that. It's just wrong.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Yea, it is much better for them to struggle to breath.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes but you can't prove that, and you can't just take kids from their parents like that. That is a serious thing that can potentially mess up a child for life. Imagine being a child and living with your mom and dad and perhaps some siblings, and then being ripped away from them and everything you ever knew and your security to be forced to live with complete strangers!!! You can't just remove children from parents willy nilly like that. It's just wrong.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Yea, it is much better for them to struggle to breath.
    Are you actually wanting to rip children away from their families because their parents smoke cigarettes? Good Lord! That's rotten to the core.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Just don't pretend that your foul choices aren't harmful to others - we're not stupid.
    This.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you actually wanting to rip children away from their families because their parents smoke cigarettes? Good Lord! That's rotten to the core.
    And yet so typical of Big Government types wanting the government to intrude and intercede evermore into people's lives, as if government should have no bounds to reign it in.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    What are you talking about? Do you want a kid to stay with a parent that does not care if the kid can breath or not? I specifically talked about an asthmaitc kid going to the hospital repeated with an asthma attack whose parents smoke, I have seen little kids come in wheezing so you could hear them accross the ER and they reeked of cigarette smoke. Think about Maslow, which is more important Oxygen or family relationships?
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you actually wanting to rip children away from their families because their parents smoke cigarettes? Good Lord! That's rotten to the core.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes but you can't prove that, and you can't just take kids from their parents like that. That is a serious thing that can potentially mess up a child for life. Imagine being a child and living with your mom and dad and perhaps some siblings, and then being ripped away from them and everything you ever knew and your security to be forced to live with complete strangers!!! You can't just remove children from parents willy nilly like that. It's just wrong.
    Extraordinary cases, ChrisL. Nobody's suggesting taking children away "willy nilly." You're ignoring that a home environment could feasibly be so egregious that it could equal or even surpass the downside of being taken by child protection. As for determining that, Mak2 makes a good point. If a doctor finds extraordinary health problems and can reasonably conclude that cigarette smoke is at the heart of it, then you've got a case for moving forward with a more involved investigation.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Extraordinary cases, ChrisL. Nobody's suggesting taking children away "willy nilly." You're ignoring that a home environment could feasibly be so egregious that it could equal or even surpass the downside of being taken by child protection. As for determining that, Mak2 makes a good point. If a doctor finds extraordinary health problems and can reasonably conclude that cigarette smoke is at the heart of it, then you've got a case for moving forward with a more involved investigation.
    An egregious home environment would have to consist of more than just smoking cigarettes to justify removing children from the home. Like I said earlier, that, at MOST, would be considered a form of neglect and is FAR from the most serious kinds. You really should look into real physical/sexual abuse that children endure and how slow CPS are to move and how they fail a lot of children in their care. Then you would see how ridiculous it would be to overburden that system with parents who smoke.

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