View Poll Results: Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?

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  • Yes - I like it, but age should be older than 8

    21 22.58%
  • No - I should be able to smoke wherever I want

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I think it's cute that you think that brings merit to their actions and makes me their subject.
    There are still places in the world you can go to where you won't have to pay taxes or accept laws you consider tyrannical. Either move there or quit your bitching. No one cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Soooo, you're not a subject of the United States, right? You said so yourself. So just tell them that and I'm sure you won't have to pay taxes.
    And a ban on smoking in ones own home is not part of this same agenda?

    You must know there are laws on the books in California that do this. No cigars, no pipes, no smoking, in your own home.

    Perhaps weed has received a pass, since it's apparently good for you, although I don't know.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As you seem to be primarily focused in on pregnancy issues, it seems the sex/sexuality or abortion sub-forums might be more appropriate places for you.
    I though the discussion was harming another human with cigarettes? Is that not the case?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There are still places in the world you can go to where you won't have to pay taxes or accept laws you consider tyrannical.
    Where?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    And a ban on smoking in ones own home is not part of this same agenda?

    You must know there are laws on the books in California that do this. No cigars, no pipes, no smoking, in your own home.

    Perhaps weed has received a pass, since it's apparently good for you, although I don't know.
    I don't believe in blanket bans. I believe smoking bans should be based entirely on how they endanger others. Admittedly I don't know the law on smoking in your own home (though I'm definitely going to look into it now), but any ban on smoking that is placed where others are not in jeopardy is, in my opinion, completely illegitimate.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't believe in blanket bans. I believe smoking bans should be based entirely on how they endanger others. Admittedly I don't know the law on smoking in your own home (though I'm definitely going to look into it now), but any ban on smoking that is placed where others are not in jeopardy is, in my opinion, completely illegitimate.
    Like any bar or restaurant?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post

    Where?

    Antarctica and Seasteads.

    Outside the Exclusive Economic Zone of 200 nautical miles (370 km), which countries can claim according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the high seas are not subject to the laws of any sovereign nation other than the flag under which a ship sails. Examples of organizations using this possibility are Women on Waves, enabling abortions for women in countries where abortions are subject to strict laws, and offshore radio stations which were anchored in international waters. Like these organizations, a seastead might be able to take advantage of the looser laws and regulations that exist outside the sovereignty of nations, and be largely self-governing.
    Seasteading - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Is Antarctica unowned?

    You support ownership of the sea?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Like any bar or restaurant?
    I honestly don't know which way to lean on that. On one hand employees who don't smoke may feel coerced to accept the smoky environment because they need the work, but on the other hand they can find a job elsewhere (unless they can't because work is too scarce). Likewise, customers can choose to eat there, but what if it's the only restaurant in town? It's not a slam dunk either way for me.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't believe in blanket bans. I believe smoking bans should be based entirely on how they endanger others. Admittedly I don't know the law on smoking in your own home (though I'm definitely going to look into it now), but any ban on smoking that is placed where others are not in jeopardy is, in my opinion, completely illegitimate.
    Start your search with Pasadena, CA.

    So what's next, backyard barbeques? How about cooking of certain foods that are vented outside? Perhaps banning certain plants because they put off a fragrance that some find objectionable?

    Slippery slope? Absolutely.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Is Antarctica unowned?

    You support ownership of the sea?
    To my knowledge (I could be wrong) antarctica does not currently have a government which passes its own laws or collects taxes. The seasteads I linked to were created to be experimental libertarian paradises. Either of these possibilities seem likely potential avenues for Henrin, I think.
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