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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm perfectly happy if the very least it achieves is a good slap upside the heads of parents who insist through their haze of drug addiction on exposing their kids to deadly carcinogens. Oh, I just weep for their lost freedoms.

    You miss the point. It's the precedent set by more intrusive laws. Hence the "what's next" questions/
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Let us know how that plays out with the IRS.
    Do you only debate with the use of red herrings? Yes, the government forces me to pay them. What of it?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    You miss the point. It's the precedent set by more intrusive laws. Hence the "what's next" questions/
    There are all sorts of laws that are more intrusive when it comes to driving, such as the expanded child safety seat laws that have been happening for a decade or so now and have been set up in almost if not all states. When I was a kid, safety seats were pretty near just a suggestion if not so, especially for children who could walk if not just sit up on their own. And that was only the '80s. Now, children have to be in a child safety seat of some kind in most states til they are 6 or even 8 years old. Sometimes it is based on weight of the child. And sometimes both an age and a weight requirement must be met. (I refer to these as either an "and" or "or" state with what the state laws are, having two sons who are still within these laws.) And in reality these laws are pretty intrusive into a child's privacy, since they could require an exact age, weight, or both.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are all sorts of laws that are more intrusive when it comes to driving, such as the expanded child safety seat laws that have been happening for a decade or so now and have been set up in almost if not all states. When I was a kid, safety seats were pretty near just a suggestion if not so, especially for children who could walk if not just sit up on their own. And that was only the '80s. Now, children have to be in a child safety seat of some kind in most states til they are 6 or even 8 years old. Sometimes it is based on weight of the child. And sometimes both an age and a weight requirement must be met. (I refer to these as either an "and" or "or" state with what the state laws are, having two sons who are still within these laws.) And in reality these laws are pretty intrusive into a child's privacy, since they could require an exact age, weight, or both.
    I think it's funny that the authoritarians didn't go after car companies to fix that problem.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Does the argument behind this work in the home?
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    No, I mean the argument that states the child has no choice to be around the smoke. Wouldn't that argument work just about anywhere?
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    If I recall it's because the smoke will travel throughout the house and the kid has no choice but to be in the home. That is essentially the same argument being made here. The smoke is traveling around the car and the kid has no choice but to be in the car. There is no doubt it is the same argument.
    of course it applies, but either that particular concept eludes them, or they want smokers tossed out on their asses.

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    .would someone... Please... Think of the children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    You miss the point. It's the precedent set by more intrusive laws. Hence the "what's next" questions/
    Slippery slope arguments are irrelevant here since this ban can be defended on its own merits.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you only debate with the use of red herrings? Yes, the government forces me to pay them. What of it?
    Soooo, you're not a subject of the United States, right? You said so yourself. So just tell them that and I'm sure you won't have to pay taxes.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Slippery slope arguments are irrelevant here since this ban can be defended on its own merits.
    That smoking while pregnant is perfectly fine but not while in a car?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    That smoking while pregnant is perfectly fine but not while in a car?
    As you seem to be primarily focused in on pregnancy issues, it seems the sex/sexuality or abortion sub-forums might be more appropriate places for you.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Soooo, you're not a subject of the United States, right? You said so yourself. So just tell them that and I'm sure you won't have to pay taxes.
    I think it's cute that you think that brings merit to their actions and makes me their subject.

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