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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, my rights are counterbalanced against safety instead of other rights. Nothing backwards about that.
    There are many rights that are countered for the safety of others. Heck, just requiring a driver's license to begin with to drive on public roads is a restriction on your right to travel as you wish. Having to register your car. Heck, not being able to ride a skateboard in the middle of the street or walk on freeways. All for public safety, along with many other things. Most things that have laws about them are a matter of one person's rights vs either another person's rights, the good of the public, and/or safety (there are a few exceptions).
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Arguing for the right to smoke in an enclosed space with your (or any) children and forcing them to breath second hand smoke, knowing it potentially causes all kinds of respiratory ailments, is insainity. Isnt it? What kind of people would really want to do that?
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    So if something is safer then the government should be allowed to force you into it? (this is a very loaded question)
    It is a matter of cost/benefit, how the public feels, and whether or not an actual right is being violated by the law. No rights are being violated when it comes to being told that you cannot smoke in your car with children in them or that you cannot have certain things done to your car that could make that car less safe to the public (or public officials). Despite popular belief, you don't have an absolute right to privacy. You have a right to a certain amount of privacy, particularly when you are on your own property, but cars operate on public roads and a certain level of public safety when operating cars must be taken into account.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    This law doesn't change that. Parents who are going to smoke around their kids are going to smoke around their kids.
    Most will not do so in their cars in order to avoid a ticket/fine. Just that little bit might help.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are many rights that are countered for the safety of others. Heck, just requiring a driver's license to begin with to drive on public roads is a restriction on your right to travel as you wish. Having to register your car. Heck, not being able to ride a skateboard in the middle of the street or walk on freeways. All for public safety, along with many other things. Most things that have laws about them are a matter of one person's rights vs either another person's rights, the good of the public, and/or safety (there are a few exceptions).
    No, I don't accept that broken logic. Rights counterbalance against other rights. Laws based on safety only lead to the violation of rights.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, I don't accept that broken logic. Rights counterbalance against other rights. Laws based on safety only lead to the violation of rights.
    What about laws based on stupidity?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    What about laws based on stupidity?
    You mean like 99% of laws?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You mean like 99% of laws?
    Look man, no ones interested in your anarchistic fantasy land where YOU get to do what you want.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    "I could not be a traitor to Edward, for I was never his subject."

    I agree. I can never be a traitor to the US since I was never their subject.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is a matter of cost/benefit, how the public feels, and whether or not an actual right is being violated by the law. No rights are being violated when it comes to being told that you cannot smoke in your car with children in them or that you cannot have certain things done to your car that could make that car less safe to the public (or public officials). Despite popular belief, you don't have an absolute right to privacy. You have a right to a certain amount of privacy, particularly when you are on your own property, but cars operate on public roads and a certain level of public safety when operating cars must be taken into account.
    There is no danger to public safety when a person smokes in their car. That is not applicable. The concern is that after a kid sits in a house full of smoke for 18 hours a day or more that someone smoking in a well ventilated car is going too far. I understand laws that protect the general public. Such as speeding laws. But a person smoking a cigarette, which is legal, is now being told they cannot do it in their own property. That is going too far.

    Also you didn't answer my question. If something is widely considered safer for a person/people should it be mandated? By that same point, should things that are widely considered unhealthy or unsafe be illegal?
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