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Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?

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scatt said:
Change your mind? Keep your edits to yourself.
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Just can't take you any more seriously in a debate than I would a child... :shrug:
 
Alyssa said:
i suppose this could be good for the economy.
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The fine would go towards subsidizing health care... that was my thought at least. Maybe the smoker also has to get in a program to quit, like alcoholics sometimes are too?
 
Boo Radley said:
Because life is full of dangers doesn't seem to justify an unnecessary danger to me.
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Im going to sound like Ikari here, but...

Because you don't like something, you think it is okay that the government enforce a rule that doesn't make a victim of you, saying someone can't do something you don't like using the threat of imprisonment and the use of the full force of government power to satisfy your dislike?
 
cardinal said:
we should definitely enact this law in california. Although the economy is slowly on the mend here we could still use more money for beneficial programs, like child education and health, forest conservation, etc.
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will someone please think of the chidlren...................... Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
scatt said:
Would love to see the police stop.

Sir, are you aware it is illegal to smoke in a car with an eight year old.

Don't worry officer, the kid is nine.

Sorry to have stopped you, have a good day then.
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And that is why this law is stupid.
 
Caine said:
Im going to sound like Ikari here, but...

Because you don't like something, you think it is okay that the government enforce a rule that doesn't make a victim of you, saying someone can't do something you don't like using the threat of imprisonment and the use of the full force of government power to satisfy your dislike?
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I don't believe that's the reason I gave. Higlighting the to me portion suggests you are not following the meaning of the sentence. The reason would risk, health risk, danger, and has nothing to do with my like or dislike.
 
Cardinal said:
Thanks, but I think I'll take the CDC, Mayo Clinic, National Institute of Health, Surgeon General, National Cancer Institute, American Cancer Society, John Hopkins University, British Medical Journal, the Sloan-Kettering Institute study, and the British Doctors study over your personal experience and observation. See, there's a reason anecdotal evidence isn't a good source for scientific arguments: it's patchy, undisciplined, and your tiny uninvestigated experience in your contained world may have little to do with the whole picture.


Your position in this thread amounts to nothing more than pseudoscience at best, and straight up science denialism at worst (though it looks like a mixture of the two). It's the reliance on anecdotal evidence combined with your distrust of science shown in post 583 that make parents refuse to vaccinate their children.
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Truthfully, I am very leery of all the vaccinations that are required these days for babies..Too much, too soon IMO..... And the questions about autism still hang in the air....One would also have to question who is funding these studies...Is it the pharmaceutical companies? I am just not that trusting of a person I guess..... Am definitely against government intervention in people's lives...
 
Bodhisattva said:
The "norm" is NOT for kids to be taken from their families... to think so is uneducated.
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Uneducated my ass... Did you check out any of the websites that I listed? To not do so is to remain uninformed...
 
Juanita said:
Truthfully, I am very leery of all the vaccinations that are required these days for babies..Too much, too soon IMO..... And the questions about autism still hang in the air....One would also have to question who is funding these studies...Is it the pharmaceutical companies? I am just not that trusting of a person I guess..... Am definitely against government intervention in people's lives...
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There is no connection between Autism and shots.

One Thing We Know About Autism: Vaccines Aren't to Blame

Vaccines don't cause autism, but aren't perfect: Report - CBS News

Autism-Vaccine Link: Evidence Doesn't Dispel Doubts
 
Bodhisattva said:
Without some facts/evidence you are just blowing charbroiled feces out of your butt...
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And once they take your kids, you may never get them back...Stick that up your stupid butt....
 
Juanita said:
Truthfully, I am very leery of all the vaccinations that are required these days for babies..Too much, too soon IMO.......
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I'm the exact same way, and to be honest, I have my doubts about the effectiveness long-term, as compared to the effectiveness of actually having the childhood illnesses. I recently changed jobs, and the hospital where I am now working is a bit more stringent with regard to making sure their employees are sufficiently immunized, and they wanted me to take a series of vaccines before I started the job. I told them I had had the various childhood diseases as a child, and I doubted I needed any further immunity. The employee health nurse didn't believe me, I guess, so she sent me for bloodwork to test my antibody counts, which were all in the very high range, including tetanus. I did have a couple of hep B vaccines about 20 years ago, but never got the third in the series, and even that was plenty elevated (more so that those who get the complete series). I am just pretty firmly in the camp which believes we are way over-vaccinating, unnecessarily.
 
lizzie said:
I'm the exact same way, and to be honest, I have my doubts about the effectiveness long-term, as compared to the effectiveness of actually having the childhood illnesses. I recently changed jobs, and the hospital where I am now working is a bit more stringent with regard to making sure their employees are sufficiently immunized, and they wanted me to take a series of vaccines before I started the job. I told them I had had the various childhood diseases as a child, and I doubted I needed any further immunity. The employee health nurse didn't believe me, I guess, so she sent me for bloodwork to test my antibody counts, which were all in the very high range, including tetanus. I did have a couple of hep B vaccines about 20 years ago, but never got the third in the series, and even that was plenty elevated (more so that those who get the complete series). I am just pretty firmly in the camp which believes we are way over-vaccinating, unnecessarily.
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Protecting our-self from viruses and diseases is never too much.
 
Dragonfly said:
Well there you have it folks. Conclusive proof that smoking isn't bad for you at all and every stitch of evidence to the contrary is just conspiracy nonsense.

Light 'em up boys and girls....and don't forget to include your children too. Give them a chance to enjoy the fine and wondrous addiction of smoking tobacco products. Let them chew it too. No reason to believe any of the claims about gum and mouth cancer.


IT'S ALL LIES !!!!!!!!!



You lie as I never said any such thing... I said that I did not accept "all" of the hype on smoking.. I did not say that it was good for you..... Can you people read or comprehend what the hell you are reading..or just trying to be cute?
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lizzie said:
I'm the exact same way, and to be honest, I have my doubts about the effectiveness long-term, as compared to the effectiveness of actually having the childhood illnesses. I recently changed jobs, and the hospital where I am now working is a bit more stringent with regard to making sure their employees are sufficiently immunized, and they wanted me to take a series of vaccines before I started the job. I told them I had had the various childhood diseases as a child, and I doubted I needed any further immunity. The employee health nurse didn't believe me, I guess, so she sent me for bloodwork to test my antibody counts, which were all in the very high range, including tetanus. I did have a couple of hep B vaccines about 20 years ago, but never got the third in the series, and even that was plenty elevated (more so that those who get the complete series). I am just pretty firmly in the camp which believes we are way over-vaccinating, unnecessarily.
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Autism is a word/condition that was practically unknown when I was a child, but we only got vaccinated for smallpox, diphtheria and scarlet fever and then polio.....I had measles, which most all kids got--it was a normal childhood disease as was chicken pox...Nowadays, the list is a mile long...
 
Juanita said:
Autism is a word/condition that was practically unknown when I was a child, but we only got vaccinated for smallpox, diphtheria and scarlet fever and then polio.....I had measles, which most all kids got--it was a normal childhood disease as was chicken pox...Nowadays, the list is a mile long...
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Well, I have my own thoughts on autism, and the cause for an alarming increase, but that's a subject for another thread. I must be in about the same age range as you. We got polio, DPT, and smallpox vaccines. I had chicken pox, mumps, and a couple of varieties of measles.
 
Juanita said:
And once they take your kids, you may never get them back...Stick that up your stupid butt....
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Why would they take my kids? I have seen many instances of child services and abused kids... more than 99.7% of the population and very rarely do they "Take the kids"... I trust what I know more than your opinion.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why would they take my kids? I have seen many instances of child services and abused kids... more than 99.7% of the population and very rarely do they "Take the kids"... I trust what I know more than your opinion.
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It is not only my opinion, but facts..Even the U.S. Justice Dept. is investigating various aspects of outrageous child custody results....
 
Juanita said:
There is "probably" no connection with vaccines and autism...Sorry, not quite good enough for me....
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Guess you didn't read that Doctor that made the initial report had his Medical license taken away by Great Britain and that report was since been proven wrong.
 
Juanita said:
It is not only my opinion, but facts..Even the U.S. Justice Dept. is investigating various aspects of outrageous child custody results....
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Until I see some stats it is your opinion... and even then, I never witnessed nor heard of anything outrageous.
 
Juanita said:
It is not only my opinion, but facts..Even the U.S. Justice Dept. is investigating various aspects of outrageous child custody results....
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Having represented children in CPS Court, who are wards of the state, what the hell are you talking about?
 
cpgrad08 said:
Guess you didn't read that Doctor that made the initial report had his Medical license taken away by Great Britain and that report was since been proven wrong.
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I don't think that there is 100% evidence either way...
 
Removable Mind said:
Having represented children in CPS Court, who are wards of the state, what the hell are you talking about?
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What the hell am I talking about? Texas is one of the worst states and there are multiple organizations fighting CPS everyday... I have been in family court too, and listened to the lies, the delaying tactics and the other outrageous behavior of these CPS workers, so I'm sure you are more aware of this than you are letting on...
 
Juanita said:
Well it is not my fault if you are too lazy to do a little research...
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You are making a claim. A claim that I disagree with... I know what I know. If you know more then you shove that **** down my throat with evidence... to not do so is to admit defeat. If you can't... have a nice day and remain you...
 
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