View Poll Results: Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    At least cigarette use is falling in this country. Hopefully it will be almost entirely gone in 20 years.
    I hope you're right, but statistics I'd seen recently showed use is rising among young people - I hope that's wrong.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    I rarely support Govt intervention in personal affairs.... However, I fully support this. The age should be the legal age to purchase tobacco, IMHO.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Who is we? I'm apart of that generation and I don't see smokers as pathetic losers. It's one destructive habit out of many. Pick your poison.



    By your ridiculously broad interpretation, parents who allow their kids to be exposed to high fructos corn syrup (directly linked to diabetes) are also abusive. But why stop there? How about contact sports? That can cause permanent injury. hmm where to draw the line.. i mean god forbid something happens to Junior and Big Government isn't there with a band-aid.



    You first.
    I hope you realize I was just being flippant. [and not talking about 'you' in particular]

    I was a smoker for over 30 years and quit cold turkey about 6 years ago after incessant bitching from my Wife and children and being banned to smoking outside.

    I was entirely guilty of smoking with my children in the car. There....I said it. 8)

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I was entirely guilty of smoking with my children in the car. There....I said it. 8)
    +1 for honesty

    +100 for quitting for your family

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't think they need a new law, that one seems relevant and required given the amount of information available about smoking however, is sad. That said, why can't existing child endangerment laws be applied here? My view is the law seems un-necessary. Broaden child endangerment laws and apply it as needed.
    This is a danger in and of itself. CPS or what ever the local equivilant already hass too much power that it abuses. I've seen them bypass parents who are neglecting their kids in favor of harassing gay parents. Or just tick one off not even knowing who they are out in public and next thing you know there's a supposed annoymous report on you and you're being investigated. And there is no way to hit them for harassment or false accusation. No thank you, I'll take this law over a chance of CPS having even more vague rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh this is inevitable, for years I've said that the day comes in America when smoking cigarettes is illegal and smoking marijauna is legal.
    You will note that regardless of what you smoke, you still can't smoke it in the car with a child or in a public place. So it's not like we're seeing a trade of one for the other.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    +1 for honesty

    +100 for quitting for your family
    Thanks

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    A $50 fine for child endangerment is ridiculous. This is one of those feel good laws that the nanny state is famous for. Next we could have $50 fines for having obese children, $50 fines for allowing children to play in the street and perhaps $50 fines for playing loud music (over 85db) that can damage their little ears.

    I can understand the concept of trying to prevent morons from harming their children and exposing them to unnecessary dangers but why the (small?) fine and not more serious criminal charges? If the real issue is wanton child endangerment then make the sentence fit the crime; impound the vehicle ($250?), take the children to CPS ($500 fine for each) and arrest the offending adult(s) ($1,000 fine).

    If the crime is serious then treat it as such. The fine for drinking alcohol in public is $100 in the Free State - is child endangerment really only half as serious of an offense?
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know if smoking in the car with the windows rolled up is as bad for a baby as breathing the air in a polluted city, and common sense would tend to tell me that it isn't as bad, when you can see that the baby is inhaling pretty much all smoke while inside the fish bowled car. That's disgusting!
    Enough with the fish bowled car already.

    Smokers are going to crack their windows as soon as their eyes start to burn. I used to smoke (it's been 8 years). I would always have my window down an inch, no matter what the temperature was outside.

    If the vehicle is moving, the venturi effect draws the smoke right out of the window.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Keep the window cracked. Good enough.
    What effect to you think pepper spray in the car, tear gas, crack, etc. would have on passengers of a car but with a cracked window? Are you implying that as long as a window is cracked everybody gets fresh air to breathe or rather from your perspective cigarette smoke is really no big deal so offer a token compromise to appear like the smoker is being reasonably considerate? Image is everything? Symbolism or substance?
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    We surely can agree that we enjoy our personal freedom, but lets not forget that with this freedom also comes responsibility. Sadly, too many want one without the other. Perhaps its ignorance or laziness, stubbornness perhaps, who knows.
    So what are we left with? We either demonstrate enough responsibility, not just for our actions, but also realizing how our actions impact others, or some have to do it for us.
    If smokers, i.e., don't have enough brains to know how damaging their filthy habit is, perhaps its high time they suffer the consequences.

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