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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There are other things besides lung cancer. Both of my parents died of emphysema. Dad quit smoking at 50, lived to be 79. Mom never quit, lived to be 81. Something will get you eventually... but I think both could have lived another 5-10 yrs and enjoyed a better quality of life if they'd never smoked.

    And yeah, I'm 48 now and I still struggle with it. I'm trying the e-cig thing in my latest efforts to quit the real deal. I wish I'd never lit the first one too.
    Best of luck in your effort. It is really tough to quit. May I suggest trying different things until you find the right thing that gets you to your goal. Also, I think quitting actually takes practice, so keep trying. E-cigs are most likely way better for you than tobacco.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is still NOT abuse. Abuse is striking or otherwise hurting your child. At best, that would be child neglect, and we already have limited resources to investigate the horrible physical abuse that happens NOW. That would be a minimal form of neglect, considering some parents neglect to feed their children, neglect to be there to supervise their children and other much more horrible and blatant forms happen every day. Do you think we should waste time, money and man power investigating parents who smoke or eat wrong in front of their kids? That is ignorant. There are children who NEED help NOW out there.





    But let's worry about parents smoking?
    Child abuse is a legal definition. The Federal definition is

    "Any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation"; or

    "An act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm."
    https://www.childwelfare.gov/can/defining/federal.cfm

    This is broad enough to include repeated and extreme exposure of a known cancer-causing carcinogen to children.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Child abuse is a legal definition. The Federal definition is



    https://www.childwelfare.gov/can/defining/federal.cfm

    This is broad enough to include repeated and extreme exposure of a known cancer-causing carcinogen to children.
    You have not answered the question. Do you think that we should waste time, money and manpower investigating cases of parents smoking cigarettes in front of their children, when there are cases where children are actually murdered by their own parents, beaten to death or whatever?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Would I like parents to not smoke if their kids are in the car, yes. But it is their car, a person should be allowed to smoke'm if they had them. This is a very difficult issue, the only thing I could largely stand behind is a ban on smoking in the car or in the room of a house were a baby is in the room or in the car because of child endangerment issues. But even that is a bit iffy because again because if a car if blue from the smoke and 2 toddlers are coughing their lungs out, what do you do with that situation?

    Very difficult but as long as there is a resemblance of private property, I do not think the government has the legal right to ban smoking in cars if children are present.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Here it is under the age of 16 in most provinces but Nova Scotia where it is 19 (the age required to buy cigarettes).
    19? That's insane

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You have not answered the question. Do you think that we should waste time, money and manpower investigating cases of parents smoking cigarettes in front of their children, when there are cases where children are actually murdered by their own parents, beaten to death or whatever?
    I didn't actually see that question. A good $300 ticket for smoking in the car with a child in it is fine. Where it is demonstrated that a much larger, chronic problem exists then yes, it should be investigated. This is no different than any other form of child abuse, hitting being a good example: of course it's nonsense to get a child protection officer involved if a kid gets a slap up the head for being an obnoxious scream-monster in public, but where it can be shown that something much more chronic than the isolated slap-up-the-head is going on is where an investigation is legitimate.

    In any case, if a parent is chronically exposing the child to deadly carcinogens then a prosecutor could make the case under the definition I pasted that child abuse is going on.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 01-05-14 at 07:58 PM.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    19? That's insane
    In Ontario and Nova Scotia you must be 19 to buy cigarettes.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Seriously???? Honestly????

    Are you that blind to what happens in a car???

    Do you have kids?

    Do you restrain then in car seats, then proceed to smoke inside the same car?

    Do you actually do that and think you're not having any effect on them at all?????
    I figure I make my kids by ultra-lights, so it all works out in the end

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    I'll defend it. It's my kid, my car, my business, stay your do gooding ass out of my affairs...

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    So a police officer needs to step in and do what exactly? i mean society fines people who litter?
    Burn your face with that same cig. That might get your attention. 8)

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