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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Child abuse is the physical mistreatment or neglect of a child. How is forcing a child to breath second hand smoke NOT abuse?
    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Smoking in a car with children present is not only inconsiderate, but it's stupid. However, it's not child abuse.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is not child abuse, and you take meaning away from actual REAL child abuse when you categorize something like this as child abuse. There are children who are beaten, raped, tortured and murdered.
    Cigarette smoke is a carcinogen. This isn't the 1950's where we sort of suspected but didn't know for sure that it was bad. We know cigarette smoke causes a host of serious, deadly health problems. Knowingly exposing your child, especially over the long term and in enclosed spaces, to the increased risk of those health problems is child abuse, pure and simple.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Cigarette smoke is a carcinogen. This isn't the 1950's where we sort of suspected but didn't know for sure that it was bad. We know cigarette smoke causes a host of serious, deadly health problems. Knowingly exposing your child, especially over the long term and in enclosed spaces, to the increased risk of those health problems is child abuse, pure and simple.
    It is irresponsible parenting but not child abuse. Like others have said, are you going to rip children away from their families for this? Same thing with overeating or eating the wrong foods. Are you going to remove children from their homes and families and call this child abuse? That is silly when the resources are scarce as it is and should be going towards REAL child abuse.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't consider that "child abuse." I consider it irresponsible behavior, and I would never even think of ripping a child away from his or her home and parents and placing them in the care of strangers because of such a reason. THAT is probably more stressful and traumatic to the child.

    The point is you are not going to stop stupid people from doing stupid things no matter how may laws you make. People are still going to do stupid things, and we don't need a bunch of stupid useless laws clogging up our courts, etc.
    We agree on that too. Children shouldn't be taken away from parents for either one of those reasons. But they are both abuse. Are you really unaware of the health risks of childhood obesity? How among other things it causes children to have weight problems as adults which leads to adult diseases like diabetes and others. It is abusive because its bad for their health, which is the argument we're making about smoking in the car with them.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Smoking in a car with children present is not only inconsiderate, but it's stupid. However, it's not child abuse.
    Knowing the long term health problems we have scientifically found to be closely associated with cigarette smoking, this line you're drawing in the sand between child abuse and not child abuse seems arbitrary at best.

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    I, for one, do not want Social Services spending time investigating this sort of thing when they drop the ball ALL the time on real child abuse cases because they claim they are underfunded and understaffed. That is dumb.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is irresponsible parenting but not child abuse. Like others have said, are you going to rip children away from their families for this? Same thing with overeating or eating the wrong foods. Are you going to remove children from their homes and families and call this child abuse? That is silly when the resources are scarce as it is and should be going towards REAL child abuse.
    Children are in fact taken away due to negligence, which includes underfeeding.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is irresponsible parenting but not child abuse. Like others have said, are you going to rip children away from their families for this? Same thing with overeating or eating the wrong foods. Are you going to remove children from their homes and families and call this child abuse? That is silly when the resources are scarce as it is and should be going towards REAL child abuse.
    Is there something less severe than "ripping children away from homes" that could be done. A ticket, maybe a scolding. Anyway, inside of the next decade smoking is illegal in America, and this becomes a mute point.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We agree on that too. Children shouldn't be taken away from parents for either one of those reasons. But they are both abuse. Are you really unaware of the health risks of childhood obesity? How among other things it causes children to have weight problems as adults which leads to adult diseases like diabetes and others. It is abusive because its bad for their health, which is the argument we're making about smoking in the car with them.
    That is still NOT abuse. Abuse is striking or otherwise hurting your child. At best, that would be child neglect, and we already have limited resources to investigate the horrible physical abuse that happens NOW. That would be a minimal form of neglect, considering some parents neglect to feed their children, neglect to be there to supervise their children and other much more horrible and blatant forms happen every day. Do you think we should waste time, money and man power investigating parents who smoke or eat wrong in front of their kids? That is ignorant. There are children who NEED help NOW out there.

    According to the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS), in 2005, an estimated 3.3 million reports of alleged abuse and/or neglect involving approximately 6 million children were made to local child protective services (CPS) agencies across the country. An estimated 899,000 of these children were determined to be victims of abuse and/or neglect (USDHHS, 2007). Of these, 16.6 percent were determined to be victims of physical abuse. Further, an estimated 1,460 children died in 2005 as a result of child abuse and neglect (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 2007). NCANDS data collection saw a large increase in child maltreatment numbers during its data collection in 2005 largely due to the inclusion of Alaska and Puerto Rico.


    But let's worry about parents smoking?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Who here will defend the right of the adult to subject their child to smoke inside a confined space like a car?
    I do not support any state regulation banning or supporting the use of tobacco.

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