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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Whatever. You can make comparisons all day long, and it does not change the fact that smoking with your children in the car is beyond stupid and just shows that your addiction is out of control.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    I agree that it's deplorable to smoke around children, but do we really need Big Gubbermint stepping in to keep children safe and healthy on THIS level? Isn't that what parents are for? Personally, I don't want to live in a country where bureaucrats wipe people's noses and change their diapers. People can't be protected from themselves, and unfortunately no matter how unfair it is, children are subjected to social darwinism. If they are born with morons as parents, their lives will probably suck. But at what point does society continue to intervene? And where does it end?
    ^ i don't disagree.

    It's sad that people believe it should be considered child abuse.. and then what? have CPS put the kids in fostercare. I don't smoke, but i think that's an outrage. It's as if people want the government to enforce their opinions.
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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    ^ i don't disagree.

    It's sad that people believe it should be considered child abuse.. and then what? have CPS put the kids in fostercare. I don't smoke, but i think that's an outrage. It's as if people want the government to enforce their opinions.
    No I certainly don't think people should lose their children over such a thing. I'm just saying that if more people thought about things, we wouldn't be having this discussion. That's it. I'm not for bans at all, but that doesn't mean that I'm not sickened by the way some people behave.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree, it's really stupid, but how would you enforce such laws? It's kind of wasteful because there is really no way to enforce it.
    It's like any form of child abuse: it's not like child protection services can't monitor every child all the time, but when abuse becomes apparent you do what you can.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree, it's really stupid, but how would you enforce such laws? It's kind of wasteful because there is really no way to enforce it.
    The same way you enforce distracted driving laws.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Look, you aren't fooling anyone.
    But I wasn't trying to fool you. I agree with your position in this thread, and! I also think that parents who feed their children a crapy diet and allow them to become obese as youths are rather abusing children also. You think I'm being disingenuous here?

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's like any form of child abuse: it's not like child protection services can't monitor every child all the time, but when abuse becomes apparent you do what you can.
    I don't think you can ban stupidity. I don't see it being enforceable and I don't see it being effective.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think you can ban stupidity. I don't see it being enforceable and I don't see it being effective.
    There's "stupidity," and then there's child abuse. It should absolutely be policed where possible.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But I wasn't trying to fool you. I agree with your position in this thread, and! I also think that parents who feed their children a crapy diet and allow them to become obese as youths are rather abusing children also. You think I'm being disingenuous here?
    I don't consider that "child abuse." I consider it irresponsible behavior, and I would never even think of ripping a child away from his or her home and parents and placing them in the care of strangers because of such a reason. THAT is probably more stressful and traumatic to the child.

    The point is you are not going to stop stupid people from doing stupid things no matter how may laws you make. People are still going to do stupid things, and we don't need a bunch of stupid useless laws clogging up our courts, etc.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There's "stupidity," and then there's child abuse. It should absolutely be policed where possible.
    That is not child abuse, and you take meaning away from actual REAL child abuse when you categorize something like this as child abuse. There are children who are beaten, raped, tortured and murdered.

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    re: Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There's "stupidity," and then there's child abuse. It should absolutely be policed where possible.
    Smoking in a car with children present is not only inconsiderate, but it's stupid. However, it's not child abuse.
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