View Poll Results: Should these men be prosecuted under federal law?

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your most important point was that prior to the 60's Americans still trusted the government to do the right thing. There's been a lot of water under the bridge since and a lot of lying us into conflicts/wars. Wasn't there just a poll up here on the board recently that 70% of Americans don't trust their government? And damn good reason why, it ain't the good ole days anymore Pero, and it doesn't look like things are getting any better. As American distrust for government has gone up their desire to sacrifice for the cause has gone down.
    Yes there was, if it was a Gallup poll I might have been the one to post it. If not I received it from Gallup. There are a lot of things I distrust our government with and for. But even so, I would do what I did again and again. I think back in my day when my values and thoughts, ideals if you will were shaped it is true, America was a very different place. A lot of it was better and a lot of it was worse. But at least when IKE and JFK were presidents the people in government, congress were for the most part Americans first and Republicans and Democrats later. Today our elected leaders are Republicans and Democrats first and sometimes I am not sure they realize they are Americans too.

    Back then America was known as the melting pot of the world. People came here and integrated into American society. Today we are segregated as politicians and parties divide us up into groups and turn us against one another in search for votes. I guess it is called diversity now. Back then as a kid born on a family farm the American dream seemed achievable, today I am not even certain that it exists. Yes, this is a completely different America, in so many thing much better and in so many other things much worse.

    Government was small and Washington D.C. might as well have been on Mars for all they had to do with our daily lives. Now everything is top down, government involved in everything we do. We had no gun control, we left our homes unlocked when we went to town and left the car unlocked while in town. There were no school shootings or carjacking, there wouldn't have been any NSA spying or anything like that. Times change, so too does trust in ones own government.

    I guess this is the ramblings of an old man, you did give me some things to think about.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, we wouldn't have thrown Japanese people into camps or developed nuclear weapons. That would have been terrible.
    But your German would be very good. I wonder what the German word for LIBERTARIAN is? I know in Polish its dupek.
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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yes there was, if it was a Gallup poll I might have been the one to post it. If not I received it from Gallup. There are a lot of things I distrust our government with and for. But even so, I would do what I did again and again. I think back in my day when my values and thoughts, ideals if you will were shaped it is true, America was a very different place. A lot of it was better and a lot of it was worse. But at least when IKE and JFK were presidents the people in government, congress were for the most part Americans first and Republicans and Democrats later. Today our elected leaders are Republicans and Democrats first and sometimes I am not sure they realize they are Americans too.

    Back then America was known as the melting pot of the world. People came here and integrated into American society. Today we are segregated as politicians and parties divide us up into groups and turn us against one another in search for votes. I guess it is called diversity now. Back then as a kid born on a family farm the American dream seemed achievable, today I am not even certain that it exists. Yes, this is a completely different America, in so many thing much better and in so many other things much worse.

    Government was small and Washington D.C. might as well have been on Mars for all they had to do with our daily lives. Now everything is top down, government involved in everything we do. We had no gun control, we left our homes unlocked when we went to town and left the car unlocked while in town. There were no school shootings or carjacking, there wouldn't have been any NSA spying or anything like that. Times change, so too does trust in ones own government.

    I guess this is the ramblings of an old man, you did give me some things to think about.
    : Maybe the general distrust of government will turn out to be a good thing in the long run. I'm seeing the distrust even in young people, so maybe they'll be the ones to correct the imbalance we have now. What we need is another "uniter,"and send the "dividers" somewhere else to go their own way!

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yeah. Let's have the poor folks and minorities do the fighting and the dying.
    You're talking to a minority, from a military family, dick.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Maybe the general distrust of government will turn out to be a good thing in the long run. I'm seeing the distrust even in young people, so maybe they'll be the ones to correct the imbalance we have now. What we need is another "uniter,"and send the "dividers" somewhere else to go their own way!
    It tends to be the younger ones who distrust their government a lot more than the older folks. The older folks like me who grew up trusting their government tends to maintain that trust more than those youngins. Remember the late 60's and the "Do not trust anyone over 30 crowd?" That is probably when the distrust really took hold, LBJ's lies about Vietnam along with sending all those young people overseas. Remember the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago, the young people protesting and rioting.

    For the life of me, I do not know how we expect to see a uniter when all our political candidates and parties use a divide and conquer strategy to win elections. The uniter is already a divider even before he takes office. There is that distinct possibility we are in the our last days just like the last days of Rome.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you kidding me? Japan was helping Germany. THEY were the aggressors. WE were trying to do whatever we could to stay OUT of that war and be peacekeepers, until they attacked Pearl Harbor.
    The facts of the matter are simple. We have started wars with other nations for far, far less than what we did to Japan. An embargo and sanctions are acts of war.
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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The facts of the matter are simple. We have started wars with other nations for far, far less than what we did to Japan. An embargo and sanctions are acts of war.
    The thing you are ignoring is that we could have just NOT done the sanctions at all. That is our way of trying to avoid a war. Some of these piddly little countries are run by tards. They make threats, and in the case of Japan, some action had to be taken, so by sanctions we were trying to avoid the war. IF they weren't such tards, we wouldn't have to be involved in the FIRST place, which is why we are FORCED into the daddy role in most circumstances. It's for world peace.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The thing you are ignoring is that we could have just NOT done the sanctions at all. That is our way of trying to avoid a war. Some of these piddly little countries are run by tards. They make threats, and in the case of Japan, some action had to be taken, so by sanctions we were trying to avoid the war. IF they weren't such tards, we wouldn't have to be involved in the FIRST place, which is why we are FORCED into the daddy role in most circumstances. It's for world peace.
    Oh my god, what a rudely naive perspective. You still have a round face but you'll learn in time.

    Here's some reading material for you. You will see how Roosevelt, through deceit, intrigue and manipulation, worked to persuade a country that was 80% against involvement in another war to accept the fight. Japan was provoked to strike us, which gave Roosevelt his war. And there's plenty more where this came from.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexpe...e/fdr-foreign/
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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh my god, what a rudely naive perspective. You still have a round face but you'll learn in time.

    Here's some reading material for you. You will see how Roosevelt, through deceit, intrigue and manipulation, worked to persuade a country that was 80% against involvement in another war to accept the fight. Japan was provoked to strike us, which gave Roosevelt his war. And there's plenty more where this came from.

    Foreign Affairs . FDR . WGBH American Experience | PBS
    Japan was helping the Germans. PERIOD. That's all I need to know.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Japan was helping the Germans. PERIOD. That's all I need to know.
    Ok, sure.

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