View Poll Results: Should these men be prosecuted under federal law?

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Thread: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a draft is contrary to a free society
    and of course, your own unique concept of what is a "free society" is more important than the pereservation of the USA and the American way of life.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It doesn't matter. My generation was expected to serve. Every able bodied male knew they owed a 2 year obligation. We viewed it as a way to give something back to this great country of ours. You guys leave me scratching my head. I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries military is like slavery. JFK said it all when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." My generation, the kids who grew up in the 50's and those generation previous still trusted their government to do the right thing. Think about the leaders we had around the time I grew up or just before, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK. 4 top ten presidents and they came back to back to back.

    We were proud to be Americans and we knew America stood for freedom against the totalitarian countries of the world. We took that responsibility seriously about keeping her free and if we gave 2 years or more of our life to our country, that was a small price to pay.
    Replace that sentence with anything else:

    I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries factories is like slavery.

    I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries farms is like slavery.

    I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries mines is like slavery.

    I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries oil fields is like slavery.

    Etc, etc. I doubt many would countenance shanghaiing hundreds of thousands of citizens for enforced stints as manual laborers for the state, that some venerate military service as patriotic and just (it is) does not mean that it isn't enforced servitude. It doesn't just apply to things we don't like.

    I personally can defend a draft on very narrow circumstances that I freely acknowledge are hypocritical and utilitarian in nature. But I acknowledge the hypocrisy.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It doesn't matter. My generation was expected to serve. Every able bodied male knew they owed a 2 year obligation. We viewed it as a way to give something back to this great country of ours. You guys leave me scratching my head. I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries military is like slavery. JFK said it all when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." My generation, the kids who grew up in the 50's and those generation previous still trusted their government to do the right thing. Think about the leaders we had around the time I grew up or just before, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK. 4 top ten presidents and they came back to back to back.

    We were proud to be Americans and we knew America stood for freedom against the totalitarian countries of the world. We took that responsibility seriously about keeping her free and if we gave 2 years or more of our life to our country, that was a small price to pay.
    Your most important point was that prior to the 60's Americans still trusted the government to do the right thing. There's been a lot of water under the bridge since and a lot of lying us into conflicts/wars. Wasn't there just a poll up here on the board recently that 70% of Americans don't trust their government? And damn good reason why, it ain't the good ole days anymore Pero, and it doesn't look like things are getting any better. As American distrust for government has gone up their desire to sacrifice for the cause has gone down.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What does that have to do with your accusation that I'm perfectly content with countries slaughtering their own citizens? Will you focus before you post please.
    It is very much focused, and it is clear you do not want to admit to the logical conclusion of your thoughts. No consistency of beliefs is what we are seeing in you.
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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    It is very much focused, and it is clear you do not want to admit to the logical conclusion of your thoughts. No consistency of beliefs is what we are seeing in you.
    Wtf are you talking about, was Japan slaughtering their own citizens? I told you to focus.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a draft is contrary to a free society
    This. Plus, I sleep a little better knowing that my country is defended by crazy ****ers who want to kill. Or maybe that should make me more nervous. I haven't decided.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 01-03-14 at 08:13 PM.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wtf are you talking about, was Japan slaughtering their own citizens? I told you to focus.
    It doesn't matter what japan was or was not doing, you are the one moving along in this unfocused stream. That you have not caught on to your inconsistencies comes as no surprise.
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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and of course, your own unique concept of what is a "free society" is more important than the pereservation of the USA and the American way of life.

    Thank god that right libertarians were not in charge in WW2 or we would all be typing in german.
    Yeah, we wouldn't have thrown Japanese people into camps or developed nuclear weapons. That would have been terrible.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is a long series of problems that are very common with people that are drafted into service all because they have no desire to take part in it. This was a common place during the Vietnam war. There is very little doubt that many of your peers did not agree with you and considered it an action that they were not willingness to take part in.
    I am sure you are right. But I for one feel proud that I was able to give my country something for what she has given me. Apparently not everyone agrees with that. That is the beauty of this country and I did my part in ensuring that beauty lives on and was passed on. I do wonder if that will be the case for the future though.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Replace that sentence with anything else:

    I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries factories is like slavery.

    I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries farms is like slavery.

    I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries mines is like slavery.

    I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries oil fields is like slavery.

    Etc, etc. I doubt many would countenance shanghaiing hundreds of thousands of citizens for enforced stints as manual laborers for the state, that some venerate military service as patriotic and just (it is) does not mean that it isn't enforced servitude. It doesn't just apply to things we don't like.

    I personally can defend a draft on very narrow circumstances that I freely acknowledge are hypocritical and utilitarian in nature. But I acknowledge the hypocrisy.
    I am me and what I did I never viewed it as slavery.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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