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    Re: Should LSD be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    What would it take to convince you I am purest evil?


    oops. I must have misread You said wouldn't.

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    You know, I did some Microdots and some weak Blotter that at best were like potent weed or mild shrooms and made me giggle a lot and brighten colors. But when some retard gave me a hit of "4-Way Window Pane", I didn't know to break it up and took the whole thing. Ended up in the ER, over dosed and almost permanently demented.
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    Re: Should LSD be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You know, I did some Microdots and some weak Blotter that at best were like potent weed or mild shrooms and made me giggle a lot and brighten colors. But when some retard gave me a hit of "4-Way Window Pane", I didn't know to break it up and took the whole thing. Ended up in the ER, over dosed and almost permanently demented.
    I THOUGHT I recognized 4 way pane when I saw it!

    The melting stuff gave it away. I had a nice little chat with a Pantheon of gods who pealed away the ceiling to my room and looked down on me in all their magnificence,myself.
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    Re: Should LSD be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Freedom of speech DOES protect vulgarity.
    Yes. In our current legal environment it does. There is a term called, "intent of the law". Nobody was around December 15, 1791 when the constitution was ratified. It's anybody's guess.

    I personally think the freedoms found in our constitution was to protect citizens from an oppressive government. I have a heard time believing the government envisioned degradation of culture and a nation where citizens destroy themselves as the ultimate goal for the United States.

    I just don't think it's likely but I don't know. I wasn't there. Your guess is as good as mine.

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    Re: Should LSD be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Yes. In our current legal environment it does. There is a term called, "intent of the law". Nobody was around December 15, 1791 when the constitution was ratified. It's anybody's guess.
    We do have the writings on the founders.

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I personally think the freedoms found in our constitution was to protect citizens from an oppressive government.
    I agree, to a degree. Many of them feared writing out what our rights for they feared that the government would be oppressive in respect to every right not enumerated. For those who do not accept the notion of Natural Rights, might take the foolish point of view that said enumerated rights were GRANTED by the constitution rather than preventing the government to infringe on said rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I have a heard time believing the government envisioned degradation of culture and a nation where citizens destroy themselves as the ultimate goal for the United States.

    I just don't think it's likely but I don't know. I wasn't there. Your guess is as good as mine.
    This hyperbole is beyond responding to, but I shall try.

    Your judgement of what constitutes degradation or self destruction are exactly what they wanted us to be free to do. They believed in the philosophy of liberty, best articulated by Thomas Paine. Now I do not regard LSD use as self destructive, but I am certain the founders view on freedom certainly included people engaging in self destructive behavior such as being a drunkard. If you own your own body, which they believed, what you do with it so long as you don't violate the rights you are perfectly free to do, free to **** up, free to fail.

    Heck many of the founders were drunkards themselves.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Should LSD be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    It's been a point of discussion in my apartment recently, whether acid should be legal or not. One of my roommates is pretty strongly supportive of it and the other believes that it should never be legalized. I'm kind of on the fence, so I thought I'd throw it out here.

    I asked both of them to give me some arguments for their side to put out here.
    Pro arguments-

    -LSD is one of the least addictive drugs out there with no chance of physical addiction.

    -It is nearly impossible to OD on. People have taken 1000's of times that of a single dose and survived.

    -One of the most dangerous things concerning acid is the fact that different research chemicals are often passed off as LSD and the fact that it is nearly impossible to tell what dose it is. Legalization would bring quality control and make sure that it is what it is advertised.

    -LSD has almost no negative side effects either short term or long lasting.

    -LSD's potential to cause crazy behavior has been generally overstated. It is unlikely to the extreme for people to put their children in ovens or jump out of windows thinking they can fly.

    -For a drug like LSD where people under it pose less danger to themselves and others than alcohol or marijuana, there is no excuse for the government to be making it illegal.

    Against arguments-

    -LSD is a drug that dramatically alters the person's mind dramatically. It's dangerous not only for the person taking it, but those around them.

    -LSD can cause psychosis in rare cases and can lead to Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder. HPPD causes visual changes like those under LSD chronically, sometimes appearing months after taking the drug.

    -Having it legal would dramatically increase its use. If people used LSD like they use alcohol, that could cause serious problems.<br><br>
    Accidentally voted no. Obviously the answer is yes.

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    Re: Should LSD be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    That sounds like a wonderful place to live. Freedom wasn't designed to encourage self destruction.
    Freedom wasn't 'designed' to encourage anything, it wasn't designed period. Freedom isn't a means to an end. It is an end. The ability to do what one wills on condition that that doesn't infringe on another's freedom is something that people inherently value. The possibility of self destruction comes with the territory.

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    Re: Should LSD be legal?

    It surely does.

    When my Libertarian friends talk about legalizing all drugs, however, they don't talk about the "collateral damage." What happens to the children? Who picks up the bodies in "needle park," and who pays for the funerals?

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    Re: Should LSD be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Sometimes stating the absurd or being hyperbolic is necessary to getting the point across.
    It's one thing to point out the absurd -- it's another thing entirely to be absurd.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Should LSD be legal?

    Just as with alcohol that intoxicates and alters mental status, there should be no restrictions for consenting adults that wish to use them as long as they are not taking away others rights. Its a simple concept. Let people f*** themselves up if they want to. Deal with accordingly those who endanger others. Have a freer and moore prosperous society all together.
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    Re: Should LSD be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    -LSD is a drug that dramatically alters the person's mind dramatically. It's dangerous not only for the person taking it, but those around them.
    Sure, that happened once, and I remember it well. Because it was the only time it happened.

    -LSD can cause psychosis in rare cases and can lead to Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder. HPPD causes visual changes like those under LSD chronically, sometimes appearing months after taking the drug.
    Informally known as "permafrying." I heard about a guy this happened to. Never met anyone who's ever permafried, and I'm not permafried myself (or at least everybody is too polite to tell me that I am). There have to be some already existent disorders for psychedelics to cause such harmful effects, and I can guarantee you that if a person has such disorders, he's already most likely well aware of them.

    -Having it legal would dramatically increase its use. If people used LSD like they use alcohol, that could cause serious problems.
    Sure, it would increase a little. But not by as much as you think because the fact remains that tripping is an intense and exhausting experience that most people wouldn't find enjoyable more than a couple times a year.
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