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There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

What needs to change in US healthcare?

  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    Votes: 25 65.8%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    Votes: 7 18.4%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    Votes: 4 10.5%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • Total voters
    38

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It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

http://www.businessinsider.com/best-healthcare-systems-in-the-world-2012-6
 
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Oddly enough, due to an intense disinformation campaign from the right wing about 30% of the country thinks we have/recently had the best healthcare in the world. It seems many think to get back the best healthcare in the world all the US has to do is get the government out of the way of profits, er, I mean healthcare. By the way, where is the poll?
It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?
 
It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?



Problem. The Business Insider article from 2012 referenced the notorious WHO report so full of errors and disinformation the WHO won't publish another ranking again.

So, your post contains zero facts, and might then be difficult to attract anything meaningful.
 
It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
Some change is needed, but a complete overhaul I do not believe is necessary. I also think the government getting involved to the extent they have was a bad bad bad idea. Some rule changes, like not denying based off pre existing conditions, I think are good changes.
 
Oddly enough, due to an intense disinformation campaign from the right wing about 30% of the country thinks we have/recently had the best healthcare in the world. It seems many think to get back the best healthcare in the world all the US has to do is get the government out of the way of profits, er, I mean healthcare. By the way, where is the poll?

Is the poll there now?
 
I can't pick any of those options.... what a crap poll.
 
It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
Problem. The Business Insider article from 2012 referenced the notorious WHO report so full of errors and disinformation the WHO won't publish another ranking again.

So, your post contains zero facts, and might then be difficult to attract anything meaningful.

You are correct.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/healt...laws-world-health-organizations-rankings.html
 
Problem. The Business Insider article from 2012 referenced the notorious WHO report so full of errors and disinformation the WHO won't publish another ranking again.

So, your post contains zero facts, and might then be difficult to attract anything meaningful.

This is the first I've heard that the report was anything but based off of careful research. I suspect you don't like the WHO report for the same reason you probably don't like the UN or the WTO -- they're not American, they appear to take power away from America, and they often criticise America when you would prefer not to be criticised.

But if you'd like another report, here you are:

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Bloomberg ranks the US as 46th. Maybe the WHO wasn't so bad after all?
 
It it aint from Fox News...remember that misinformation campaign?
This is the first I've heard that the report was anything but based off of careful research. I suspect you don't like the WHO report for the same reason you probably don't like the UN or the WTO -- they're not American, they appear to take power away from America, and they often criticise America when you would prefer not to be criticised.

But if you'd like another report, here you are:

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Bloomberg ranks the US as 46th. Maybe the WHO wasn't so bad after all?
 
Some change is needed, but a complete overhaul I do not believe is necessary. I also think the government getting involved to the extent they have was a bad bad bad idea. Some rule changes, like not denying based off pre existing conditions, I think are good changes.

I agree with you. I think the focus should have been on health care and not on insurance. What I see happening around where I live is more and more doctors refusing to see anymore new Medicaid patients due to the lower reimbursement percentage along with the longer wait to receive their reimbursement. What seems to be happening is more people are now going on the Medicaid rosters with less doctors now available to see them. This may be a plus for those who were never on Medicaid or had insurance, but it is a definite minus for those who had been on Medicaid previously.

I have a granddaughter on Medicaid and now she is shopping around for a new doctor as her old one dropped her. She is having one heck of a time.
 
I agree with you. I think the focus should have been on health care and not on insurance. What I see happening around where I live is more and more doctors refusing to see anymore new Medicaid patients due to the lower reimbursement percentage along with the longer wait to receive their reimbursement. What seems to be happening is more people are now going on the Medicaid rosters with less doctors now available to see them. This may be a plus for those who were never on Medicaid or had insurance, but it is a definite minus for those who had been on Medicaid previously.

I have a granddaughter on Medicaid and now she is shopping around for a new doctor as her old one dropped her. She is having one heck of a time.
one of the reactions many feared would happen once this came to be
 
This is the first I've heard that the report was anything but based off of careful research. I suspect you don't like the WHO report for the same reason you probably don't like the UN or the WTO -- they're not American, they appear to take power away from America, and they often criticise America when you would prefer not to be criticised.

But if you'd like another report, here you are:

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Bloomberg ranks the US as 46th. Maybe the WHO wasn't so bad after all?

Well, I suspect your suspicion may be due to a bias caused by your political ideology.

It is a well known fact, and one admitted by the WHO, the information provided by the 2000 WHO ranking was worthless due to the methodology used by the countries involved.

Why don't you pull the 2010 WHO ranking and let everyone know how things changed?

These rankings are a joke, but I understand your desire to get to single payer as fast a possible, and use any argument possible, no matter how accurate, to try and accomplish that.
 
A complete overhaul and conversion to a universal healthcare system would prevent this from happening. Why do some Americans hate the idea of an 'NHS' for the US so much?
It is happening, due to the ACA. Perotista was factually stating doctors are refusing the new system, because of less reimbursement and slower reimbursement. Nothing in a universal care situation states a doctor has to remain in practice. we need more doctors, not less
 
It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider

The Who rankings were admittedly skewed, biased and flawed.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/healt...laws-world-health-organizations-rankings.html



This is the first I've heard that the report was anything but based off of careful research. I suspect you don't like the WHO report for the same reason you probably don't like the UN or the WTO -- they're not American, they appear to take power away from America, and they often criticise America when you would prefer not to be criticised.

But if you'd like another report, here you are:

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Bloomberg ranks the US as 46th. Maybe the WHO wasn't so bad after all?

:doh

Methodology

Each country was ranked on three criteria: life expectancy (weighted 60%), relative per capita cost of health care (30%); and absolute per capita cost of health care (10%). Countries were scored on each criterion and the scores were weighted and summed to obtain their efficiency scores. Relative cost is health cost per capita as a percentage of GDP per capita. Absolute cost is total health expenditure, which covers preventive and curative health services, family planning, nutrition activities and emergency aid. Included were countries with populations of at least five million, GDP per capita of at least $5,000 and life expectancy of at least 70 years.

First of all, the Who rankings were flawed, false and intentionally biased.
Secondly, this second report has nothing to do with what is better healthcare.
It also is a biased report.
 
The Who rankings were admittedly skewed, biased and flawed.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/healt...laws-world-health-organizations-rankings.html





:doh

Methodology

Each country was ranked on three criteria: life expectancy (weighted 60%), relative per capita cost of health care (30%); and absolute per capita cost of health care (10%). Countries were scored on each criterion and the scores were weighted and summed to obtain their efficiency scores. Relative cost is health cost per capita as a percentage of GDP per capita. Absolute cost is total health expenditure, which covers preventive and curative health services, family planning, nutrition activities and emergency aid. Included were countries with populations of at least five million, GDP per capita of at least $5,000 and life expectancy of at least 70 years.

First of all, the Who rankings were flawed, false and intentionally biased.
Secondly, this second report has nothing to do with what is the best healthcare.
It also is a biased report.

So, in other words, I can throw as much evidence as I want at you, but anything that claims the US has an awful healthcare system that severely needs overhaul is biased?

What a great way to debate.
 
Other: anyone who bitches about it, get the F out and go to one of the 36 countries.
 
So, in other words, I can throw as much evidence as I want at you, but anything that claims the US has an awful healthcare system that severely needs overhaul is biased?

What a great way to debate.
D'oh! :doh
You haven't thrown any evidence.
 
Well, I suspect your suspicion may be due to a bias caused by your political ideology.

It is a well known fact, and one admitted by the WHO, the information provided by the 2000 WHO ranking was worthless due to the methodology used by the countries involved.

Why don't you pull the 2010 WHO ranking and let everyone know how things changed?

These rankings are a joke, but I understand your desire to get to single payer as fast a possible, and use any argument possible, no matter how accurate, to try and accomplish that.

Why would my political ideology cause me to want to say the US has bad healthcare? If privatised, insurance-based healthcare was more effective than universal healthcare, I would be pushing for that. My political ideology has nothing to do with it -- and it's also a cheap method to discredit what I'm saying.

You know as well as I the WHO didn't publish rankings in the 2010 report, so there's another lie you've failed to sell me on -- but if you want more evidence, check it out:

U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study | Reuters

Reuters. Are you going to claim Reuters, or the Commonwealth, are untrustworthy as well?

Who exactly would be trustworthy to you? FOX News? John Boehner? Sarah Palin?
 
Other: anyone who bitches about it, get the F out and go to one of the 36 countries.

Don't you think that's a bit harsh? "If you criticise our country for objectively not giving you the best healthcare it could, you're unpatriotic and need to leave!"

That's what you're saying. Doesn't that seem rather... Cowardly?
 
It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider

Same way we solve all problems. Finance some studies to prove the opposing view is the correct one so that people can run to their demagogue of choice and be assured their delusion is right and true.
 
D'oh! :doh
You haven't thrown any evidence.

I've now provided three articles from three different sources that all claim, based on worldwide research, that the US has a terrible healthcare system.

Is it a global conspiracy? Or maybe, certain elements in your own country that are doing very well by your system don't want it to change? Which is more likely?
 
Don't you think that's a bit harsh? "If you criticise our country for objectively not giving you the best healthcare it could, you're unpatriotic and need to leave!"

That's what you're saying. Doesn't that seem rather... Cowardly?

No, it seems appropriate. Everyone knows that world health care stats are excessively skewed. Quantity is measured over quality.
 
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