View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    6 13.04%
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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Note that the defenders of the pre-ACA USA health system have not provided any statistics supporting the claim that it is better than the systems in other countries that are approximately as prosperous as the USA.
    The burden of proof is on the proponents of the ACA "Obamacare" system. The jury is still out on that.

    It hasn't been implemented coherently even now. It was unilaterally passed (by democrats), on Christmas day (or maybe eve, can't remember), without many people fully (or even partially) understanding what was in it, and written mostly by "industry professionals" that turned out mostly to be lobbyists, corporate representatives, and political technocrats, not to mention takes on a very large complicated issue in one bill. Also, parts of it were "sold" to Americans based on false pretense. Whether knowingly or not is a subject for a different thread.

    The previous system was far from perfect, but also far from broken, and to change the status quo so substantially requires a little more time to see if the replacement system is actually better. For the reasons cited above, I'm a little skeptical which I think is understandable. With respect to other countries' systems, I think to blindly replicate something just because the "cool Europeans do it, and they've always been so right ...huh?" is a really bad reason to change an entire system.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Why are non-healthcare factors important for finding out who has the best healthcare?
    non-healthcare factors can be important for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is access issues. There has been a lot of bloviating on this thread about who is accurate about rating the U.S. system when the truth is a little bit more complicated.

    If you have the means, either financial or by happenstance, to have full access to all that the U.S. healthcare system has to offer then there are few countries that can compare. Unfortunately or fortunately depending upon your beliefs not everyone in the U.S. has equal access. Access to U.S. healthcare is generally determined by ability to pay and rationed by ability to pay. In other countries the rationing is generally done by medical necessity. Both systems have their problems but as for me I prefer medical necessity to rationing by bank account.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Has the WHO ever said anything good about the US? In fact, has any international organization ever said anything good about the US? We are the scapegoat for every international group out there. So much medicine has been developed in the US, I don't even have to check to see that we have dwarfed the world. But just for the Obamacare leftwing nutters...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/05/bu...cene.html?_r=0

    I also love the poll choices, no choices unless you're a Obamacare buttlicker.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.
    System may be bad. But medicine, the best in the world.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Then provide some other type of assessment of relative quality. Cost and equality are definitely relevant factors in assessing health care quality.
    They're really the same thing though - Cost determines availability (and to some degree, quality), and availability is what people mean when they say "equality".
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    System may be bad. But medicine, the best in the world.
    So, we have great medical care but poor health care?
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    I also love the poll choices, no choices unless you're a Obamacare buttlicker.

    The real reason that Obama decided to change the medical system in the country, this redistribution of the money flow in favor of the state institutions. If Obama really wanted to make changes for the better, the first thing he would have done it increased aid for medical students. Сountry needs a large increase number of doctors and nurses. Country needs a large increase number hospitals and universal care clinics. And only after that, create a database for full coverage of the population.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    So, we have great medical care but poor health care?
    Not accessible to all. However I've never seen someone, who were denied to help in the hospital.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    Not accessible to all. However I've never seen someone, who were denied to help in the hospital.
    I half wonder if reassigning all the funding for ACA to subsidize non-paying hospital vists would be more effective...but then I don't know much about how health care works or doesn't, apart from what the news blathers about recently.

    Bah, some hospital or hospital employee would probably take advantage of that and fake non-paying visits...or no one would pay.
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