View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    SO should I assume you two support more spending on Medicaid so it can pay higher reimbursements to doctors?
    I do. It does no good to put people on Medicaid if doctors start refusing to see them. This just makes the numbers look good, so many millions now have insurance. What is important is that they get to see a doctor. You and I have been through this before and if I remember right if we could do it together, we would have left the 80% who were happy/satisfied with their insurance alone and set up a VA type health care system to take care of the rest. Thus guaranteeing they get to see a doctor.

    What Obamacare or the ACA or what ever people want to call it, is health insurance reform. It is not guaranteeing or solving the healthcare problem. It shifts the responsibility of who is paying for insurance for those who did not have it and is placing millions more on Medicaid. It stops people from just paying for what they need or want in a health care policy to what is mandated by government and makes the young double or triple their premiums in order to pay for the older crowds insurance and those who didn't have it. What good is having insurance if there is no doctor who will see you? Right now my granddaughter is in that group. She has Medicaid, but doctors do not like the 60% reimbursement rate of allowed costs. Then there is the long wait for that reimbursement.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    That would be public, privatized is paid for through business and your own personal money. Not taxes
    You are confusing private with privatized. The state doesn't usually build roads or anything, they pay private companies to build it with taxpayer funds, this is privatization.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    And there are Americans that fly to Europe for healthcare -- 750,000 in 2007, and 1.5 million in 2008 (sources in the article provided below). What's your point?

    Medical tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Anyway, about the Marine Corps thing -- a corps is just a large military body. An organisation doesn't need to be named 'corps' to be one -- perhaps they were just ranking marine services around the world?
    WIKIPEDIA !!! Why do so many use Wikipedia without first going to the Wiki Talk Page ?

    For example from the Talk Page link you provided.

    Medical

    >"Medical tourism call it what it is! All these companies have been bracketed by this term by the so-called experts who could come up with no better word to describe what has happened in the USA over the past several years. The truth is that Medical Tourism is nothing new. Colombia has been treating savvy patients for years from all over the world especially for cosmetic and eye surgery. Colombia has been a recognized provider of high quality care in advanced cardiovascular and transplant surgery for years. Transplant surgery is not only available to many persons because of the high cost but because waiting lists (USA) or no established organ banking system. But what’s most amusing to me is that what is happening with the so-called "Medical Tourism in the USA" phenomena is the tables have turned on the USA. Just years ago, persons would travel from everywhere in the world to have surgery done in such places as Mayo and Cleveland Clinics. Many of these persons have been redirected to other countries that can provide equal or better levels of care because of unreasonable and cumbersome visa requirements after 9-11. So what has emerged out of this phenomena is a classic sending offshore more jobs of persons back home in the USA -- somewhat akin to shipping manufacturing and service (call centers) jobs offshore – only this time it is the some of the more unlikely candidates: physicians and other medical professionals. The experts say that medical tourism will amount to a $10 billion industry by 2009. So there's enough to go around for every country that can provide the exacting standards required by USA patients who have had some of the world's best care but now have been forced to shop around for a better deal. Consider Colombia! No visa restrictions and cheaper airfare over some other destinations located in Asia."<

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    >" This article contains quite a few neutrality problems. As currently written, most of the material is unsourced, e.g.

    Medical tourists are generally residents of the industrialized nations of the world, the countries they travel are typically the less developed ones with lower cost of high quality medical care
    Who is vouching for the medical care as being "high quality?"

    No source is given for the assertion that "health care insurance companies within industrialized nations have begun considering medical tourism as a potential cost-saving measure."

    It is suggested that in the U. S. "most view Medical Tourism as risky because of lack of information, confusion and understanding." No sources are provided, and no evidence is presented that medical tourism is not "risky."

    One of the reasons cited for an increase in medical tourism is "favorable currency exchange rates in the global economy." But this is certainly not true for the United States..."<

    Neutrality of Statement questioned

    >" Since I am health care professional and involved in the industry, I will not edit this article. I do hope the administrators will take note of what follows and act accordingly. The following statement placed in the article appears to lack neutrality and appears to be more commercial puffery than factual..."<

    Personal opinion added to article

    >" The insertion of the line"Dubious given that Rockefeller was in Thailand from the early 1920's and Mahidol was a low-ranked royal, not in Thailand most of the time]."

    It is an expression of opinion and is not supported by the facts..."<

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You are confusing private with privatized. The state doesn't usually build roads or anything, they pay private companies to build it with taxpayer funds, this is privatization.
    ah, then yes maybe i am

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

    This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

    My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

    The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
    Interesting.

    However, as usual, it's all a matter of context.

    We apparently rank 15th (in this study) in "overall performance", while ranking 1st in expenditure per capita (IOW, we spend the most on health care). Combined this apparently equals 37th place in the rankings

    But I see nothing explaining in even partial detail how they determined overall performance, so I have no way of knowing how complete and or incomplete the study was.

    Short statements are good for headlines and grabbing attention, but they are nearly useless beyond that. And FAR too easily misconstrued or taken out of context.


    Edit: Further, anyone with an even fractional awareness of our current healthcare system would already be aware that costs are really high.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Note that the defenders of the pre-ACA USA health system have not provided any statistics supporting the claim that it is better than the systems in other countries that are approximately as prosperous as the USA.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Note that the defenders of the pre-ACA USA health system have not provided any statistics supporting the claim that it is better than the systems in other countries that are approximately as prosperous as the USA.
    When only two of the five factors deciding best healthcare are actually healthcare factors, the rankings are silly.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    When only two of the five factors deciding best healthcare are actually healthcare factors, the rankings are silly.
    Then provide some other type of assessment of relative quality. Cost and equality are definitely relevant factors in assessing health care quality.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Then provide some other type of assessment of relative quality. Cost and equality are definitely relevant factors in assessing health care quality.
    The first thing would be to have every state define all health related things the same. This is currently not done.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You are confusing private with privatized. The state doesn't usually build roads or anything, they pay private companies to build it with taxpayer funds, this is privatization.
    Privatization, also spelled privatisation, may have several meanings. Primarily, it is the process of transferring ownership of a business, enterprise, agency, public service or public property from the public sector (a government) to the private sector, either to a business that operates for a profit or to a nonprofit organization. It may also mean government outsourcing of services or functions to private firms, e.g. revenue collection, law enforcement, and prison management.[1]
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    pri·vat·ize
    transitive verb \ˈprī-və-ˌtīz\

    : to remove (something) from government control and place it in private control or ownership
    Full Definition of PRIVATIZE
    : to make private; especially : to change (as a business or industry) from public to private control or ownership
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