View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    And there are Americans that fly to Europe for healthcare -- 750,000 in 2007, and 1.5 million in 2008 (sources in the article provided below). What's your point?

    Medical tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Anyway, about the Marine Corps thing -- a corps is just a large military body. An organisation doesn't need to be named 'corps' to be one -- perhaps they were just ranking marine services around the world?
    What a revelation, people travel around to get medical care. Thailand had 2.6 million medical tourists in 2012 (from the same wikipedia article). Generally, Americans would travel to other destinations to get a certain kind of procedure cheaper, or perhaps for cheaper prescription drugs. Europeans might travel to Thailand for a cheap sex change operation or heart surgery. Generally speaking, if an American has a real medical problem, the best place to be is right here. Our medical R&D is second to none and we pay for it. You are over simplifying the issue.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It absolutely is. If we have incredible cancer-curing drugs, but you don't have access to it, is that good healthcare? Absolutely not. Healthcare is a system of delivering health to people that need it. Equality in obtaining that health is a fundamental element of the system.
    Yeah, because the healthcare is good. Since healthcare is what is being graded, only healthcare matters.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Yeah, because the healthcare is good. Since healthcare is what is being graded, only healthcare matters.
    That's why I don't like WHO and other "statistical" measures of health care from biased sources. They like to tack a 0 on to the 100 as an excuse to give the 100 a 50.

    Socialist medicine is militantly self-preservating, and likes to trick the dumbest of the masses.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Healthcare is a system of delivering health to people that need it.

    No one should entitled to another's efforts, which is what healthcare is. The product of another's efforts.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    What a revelation, people travel around to get medical care. Thailand had 2.6 million medical tourists in 2012 (from the same wikipedia article). Generally, Americans would travel to other destinations to get a certain kind of procedure cheaper, or perhaps for cheaper prescription drugs. Europeans might travel to Thailand for a cheap sex change operation or heart surgery. Generally speaking, if an American has a real medical problem, the best place to be is right here. Our medical R&D is second to none and we pay for it. You are over simplifying the issue.
    : Great post! Too many Heads of State from other parts of the world have come here for medical care over the years to make me believe we are somehow substandard. And many of them fly right over France and some of the others listed to get here, too!

    Greetings, SBu.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Great post! Too many Heads of State from other parts of the world have come here for medical care over the years to make me believe we are somehow substandard. And many of them fly right over France and some of the others listed to get here, too!

    Greetings, SBu.
    Bonsoir Polgara! The quality of our medical care is really quite good even among other so called first world systems. The idea that the number of medical tourists is an indicator of the quality of a medical system just doesn't make sense. The issue we are having is how do we make health care more financially accessible to the lower middle class. The poor have government systems and legislative protections, the upper middle class and rich are ok, but the lower middle class can be wiped out by an unexpected medical complication or battles with hospital/insurance.

    I do not think universal health care is a better system. I don't think that insurance is the problem. I don't think a large portion of middle class people being wiped out by medical bills is a good place to be either. I do think that there is a pragmatic way to solve this problem without government becoming excessively involved in medical care that still achieves the desired result of making health care affordable, but it would mean the next time we tackle the problem we don't ask corporations and political tacticians to write the legislation.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    SO should I assume you two support more spending on Medicaid so it can pay higher reimbursements to doctors?
    I support privatized insurance and medical treatments. However since we have the programs and they are entitlements, since we pay directly for them. They should be properly funded. This will mean an increase in taxes that I am against, but for the good of those programs to ensure their survival i would propose an increase in medicare and SS taxes.
    I guess the short answer is yes I do support more funding for medicaid

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Bonsoir Polgara! The quality of our medical care is really quite good even among other so called first world systems. The idea that the number of medical tourists is an indicator of the quality of a medical system just doesn't make sense. The issue we are having is how do we make health care more financially accessible to the lower middle class. The poor have government systems and legislative protections, the upper middle class and rich are ok, but the lower middle class can be wiped out by an unexpected medical complication or battles with hospital/insurance.

    I do not think universal health care is a better system. I don't think that insurance is the problem. I don't think a large portion of middle class people being wiped out by medical bills is a good place to be either. I do think that there is a pragmatic way to solve this problem without government becoming excessively involved in medical care that still achieves the desired result of making health care affordable, but it would mean the next time we tackle the problem we don't ask corporations and political tacticians to write the legislation.
    : My main concern all long is the projected shortage of doctors! What good is the best insurance in the world if there's no one available to treat you?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    I support privatized insurance and medical treatments. However since we have the programs and they are entitlements, since we pay directly for them. They should be properly funded. This will mean an increase in taxes that I am against, but for the good of those programs to ensure their survival i would propose an increase in medicare and SS taxes.
    I guess the short answer is yes I do support more funding for medicaid
    Privatized means paid for with taxation.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Privatized means paid for with taxation.
    That would be public, privatized is paid for through business and your own personal money. Not taxes

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