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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    If you claim that my worldwide, globally research sources are biased, I can just as easily claim your article is just as biased. We get nowhere playing this game -- and I've provided more evidence here, whether you've claimed it's biased or not.
    Do you not know what admittedly means? It is admitted to be flawed. Duh!

    I provided you the Post providing the information showing the Who's ranking are skewed flawed and biased.
    Go and read it and then weep.

    I then quoted from your second source showing the methodology, which has nothing to do with what is "better healthcare".
    Do you not understand that?


    Nothing you had provided is unbiased factual information.
    It is flawed and is being used to further an agenda.


    Even the third set of information you used, the Commonwealth Fund study, is flawed and biased.
    It is not objective.
    Even John Stossel was able to point them out.
    RealClearPolitics - Articles - Another Bogus Report Card for U.S. Medical Care




    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Pray tell, what is the agenda? Is it this nation-wide conspiracy to bring American healthcare into the 21st century? To give the 315 million citizens of one of the world's richest nations healthcare that is at least on par with a Caribbean dictatorship?

    What an evil agenda.
    The evil agenda is trying to bring us Government healthcare.
    The evil agenda is trying to bring us healthcare on par with a Caribbean dictatorship. You have been tricked into thinking they have better healthcare, when they don't.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Why are non-healthcare factors important for finding out who has the best healthcare?
    According to the WHO, factors like literacy, birth rate, infant mortality rate, etc., are all indicative of the overall health of a populace, and can sometimes provide insight that traditional statistics like money spent on healthcare can overshadow.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Do you not know what admittedly means? It is admitted to be flawed. Duh!

    I provided you the Post providing the information showing the Who's ranking are skewed flawed and biased.
    Go and read it and then weep.

    I then quoted from your second source showing the methodology, which has nothing to do with what is "better healthcare".
    Do you not understand that?


    Nothing you had provided is unbiased factual information.
    It is flawed and is being used to further an agenda.


    Even the third set of information you used, the Commonwealth Fund study, is flawed and biased.
    It is not objective.
    Even John Stossel was able to point them out.
    RealClearPolitics - Articles - Another Bogus Report Card for U.S. Medical Care




    The evil agenda is trying to bring us Government healthcare.
    The evil agenda is trying to bring us healthcare on par with a Caribbean dictatorship. You have been tricked into thinking they have better healthcare, when they don't.
    I can't even wrap my head around the level of hypocrisy here. You told me all my sources are biased, and then provided biased sources of your own claiming that they're biased.

    You need to understand that 'biased' and 'not my opinion' don't mean the same thing.


    And, please enlighten me, why would government healthcare be evil? Look at the NHS. Look at the French healthcare system. Sure, I get that CUBA having better healthcare than you may wound your national pride, so forget about that for a minute. But no one, and I mean NO ONE who has ever seen the NHS, can deny that it is a better system than what you've got.

    How is it evil?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    According to the WHO, factors like literacy, birth rate, infant mortality rate, etc., are all indicative of the overall health of a populace, and can sometimes provide insight that traditional statistics like money spent on healthcare can overshadow.
    Your article claims "NOTE: The rankings are based on an index of five factors — health, health equality, responsiveness, responsiveness equality, and fair financial contribution. As noted above, all data is from 2000 or earlier and these findings have been questioned."

    Of the five factors, only health and responsiveness have to do with healthcare. Less than half of the requirements are healthcare related.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    [QUOTE=APACHERAT;1062742789]
    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    And there are Americans that fly to Europe for healthcare -- 750,000 in 2007, and 1.5 million in 2008 (sources in the article provided below). What's your point?

    Medical tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    QUOTE]

    That it, a corps is two or more divisions. Two or more corps are an army.

    It's like when just not Businessinsider but most journalist refer to a destroyer or an amphibious transport as being a battleship or calling a semi automatic rifle an assault rifle or an ammunition magazine a clip.
    I still think we're splitting hairs here. Business Insider is an American publication, thus it used American terminology for an article -- it called other marine services, like the Royal Marines, 'corps', while those services might not have used that particular word. Fine.

    I don't see how any of that affects their article on healthcare that is a direct link to the World Health Organization anyway.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Other: anyone who bitches about it, get the F out and go to one of the 36 countries.
    Fantastic idea. Don't ever bother trying to improve something, just give up if you aren't happy.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Your article claims "NOTE: The rankings are based on an index of five factors — health, health equality, responsiveness, responsiveness equality, and fair financial contribution. As noted above, all data is from 2000 or earlier and these findings have been questioned."

    Of the five factors, only health and responsiveness have to do with healthcare. Less than half of the requirements are healthcare related.
    You're wrong -- equality is a fundamental element of a good healthcare system. If you have millions and millions of dollars, you can get good healthcare anywhere in the world. That doesn't mean the system is good -- the best healthcare system provides healthcare for all, and at a reasonable cost.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    You're wrong -- equality is a fundamental element of a good healthcare system. If you have millions and millions of dollars, you can get good healthcare anywhere in the world. That doesn't mean the system is good -- the best healthcare system provides healthcare for all, and at a reasonable cost.
    Equality is not healthcare.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Who are the people that count?
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post

    I still think we're splitting hairs here. Business Insider is an American publication, thus it used American terminology for an article -- it called other marine services, like the Royal Marines, 'corps', while those services might not have used that particular word. Fine.

    I don't see how any of that affects their article on healthcare that is a direct link to the World Health Organization anyway.
    What I noticed unless I overlooked it, the liberals spoke hole Michael Moore Cuba's health care didn't make the top 35.

    Do you think we were being jerked off by the left ?

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