View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    6 13.04%
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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Over the past year, I can't figure out this Businessinsider website. It's comparable to Yahoo's front page. They post any article and never fact checking. Defiantly not a reliable source.

    The best one Businessinsider did was the "Best Top Ten Marine Corps in the World." To the best of my knowledge there are only three or four marine corps in the world. The Royal Marines are not a corps.

    I've recently been to Costa Rica, their health care is third world. There are a few hospitals that are decent but they are for the Americans who live down there.

    Half the countries that were listed you can find people getting off the plane at JFK and LAX today coming from those countries to get an operation in America. Even the King of Saudia Arabia and his family come to America for their health care.
    And there are Americans that fly to Europe for healthcare -- 750,000 in 2007, and 1.5 million in 2008 (sources in the article provided below). What's your point?

    Medical tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Anyway, about the Marine Corps thing -- a corps is just a large military body. An organisation doesn't need to be named 'corps' to be one -- perhaps they were just ranking marine services around the world?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Really? Criticism resulting in exile is appropriate?

    Are you hearing yourself?
    Who the hell is talking about exile? Exile is force.

    If you don't like the policies of where you are, be somewhere else. Otherwise, the least of what you are is hypocritical.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    No, all you have provided is biased and flawed information.
    I provided a link to the information that has shown the Who ranking are admittedly biased, skewed and flawed.

    And then I provided the methodology from your second link showing it really has nothing to do with "better healthcare".


    It is an agenda. An agenda that is willing to use biased and flawed information to further the agenda.
    If you claim that my worldwide, globally research sources are biased, I can just as easily claim your article is just as biased. We get nowhere playing this game -- and I've provided more evidence here, whether you've claimed it's biased or not.

    Pray tell, what is the agenda? Is it this nation-wide conspiracy to bring American healthcare into the 21st century? To give the 315 million citizens of one of the world's richest nations healthcare that is at least on par with a Caribbean dictatorship?

    What an evil agenda.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Who the hell is talking about exile? Exile is force.

    If you don't like the policies of where you are, be somewhere else. Otherwise, the least of what you are is hypocritical.
    So you believe there's no place for criticism in America? How else would things change?

    Or do you really believe America is perfect and doesn't need to change?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I see a few nonhealthcare factors used to determine the best healthcare. Why would they do that?
    Sadly, you won't get a reply that includes a direct answer for obvious reasons. I applaud you for trying nevertheless.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    So you believe there's no place for criticism in America? How else would things change?

    Or do you really believe America is perfect and doesn't need to change?
    I believe that you can criticize all you want. I also think that the means of the many do not change for the wants of the few. I also believe that anyone who cannot accept that can kick rocks.

    If people want to actively change health care, I'll actively stymie them. I'll consider it a good for the people - the people that count, anyway.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

    This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

    My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

    The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
    There are certainly problems with the American system. It is too expensive, for instance. But it is not so straightforward what "better" means.
    When you sight the European countries, I know some of the systems quite well. If I consider the German, the only thing that is better is that it takes less of GDP. But most of the better doctors or dentists are American trained. If you don't have private insurance you get less good treatment . The quality ofpublic coverage has come down and is deteriorating. The frequency of hospital infection of MFSR is so high that you are refused admittance in Dutch hospitals coming from a German hospital etc.

    Also don't forget that most medicine is developed for the American market and the quality of treatment in other countries is thus only possible because of the state of US health care.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I believe that you can criticize all you want. I also think that the means of the many do not change for the wants of the few. I also believe that anyone who cannot accept that can kick rocks.

    If people want to actively change health care, I'll actively stymie them. I'll consider it a good for the people - the people that count, anyway.
    Who are the people that count?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    [QUOTE=Ad_Captandum;1062742703]And there are Americans that fly to Europe for healthcare -- 750,000 in 2007, and 1.5 million in 2008 (sources in the article provided below). What's your point?

    Medical tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    That it, a corps is two or more divisions. Two or more corps are an army.

    It's like when just not Businessinsider but most journalist refer to a destroyer or an amphibious transport as being a battleship or calling a semi automatic rifle an assault rifle or an ammunition magazine a clip.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    globally research sources are biased
    Why are non-healthcare factors important for finding out who has the best healthcare?

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