View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    6 13.04%
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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Other: anyone who bitches about it, get the F out and go to one of the 36 countries.
    Don't you think that's a bit harsh? "If you criticise our country for objectively not giving you the best healthcare it could, you're unpatriotic and need to leave!"

    That's what you're saying. Doesn't that seem rather... Cowardly?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

    This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

    My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

    The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    D'oh!
    You haven't thrown any evidence.
    I've now provided three articles from three different sources that all claim, based on worldwide research, that the US has a terrible healthcare system.

    Is it a global conspiracy? Or maybe, certain elements in your own country that are doing very well by your system don't want it to change? Which is more likely?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Don't you think that's a bit harsh? "If you criticise our country for objectively not giving you the best healthcare it could, you're unpatriotic and need to leave!"

    That's what you're saying. Doesn't that seem rather... Cowardly?
    No, it seems appropriate. Everyone knows that world health care stats are excessively skewed. Quantity is measured over quality.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    No, it seems appropriate. Everyone knows that world health care stats are excessively skewed. Quantity is measured over quality.
    Really? Criticism resulting in exile is appropriate?

    Are you hearing yourself?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Why would my political ideology cause me to want to say the US has bad healthcare? If privatised, insurance-based healthcare was more effective than universal healthcare, I would be pushing for that. My political ideology has nothing to do with it -- and it's also a cheap method to discredit what I'm saying.

    You know as well as I the WHO didn't publish rankings in the 2010 report, so there's another lie you've failed to sell me on -- but if you want more evidence, check it out:

    U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study | Reuters

    Reuters. Are you going to claim Reuters, or the Commonwealth, are untrustworthy as well?

    Who exactly would be trustworthy to you? FOX News? John Boehner? Sarah Palin?
    My comment was in response to your dismissal of the facts I brought forth as a result of some superiority complex I have as an "American".

    A rather juvenile accusation in my opinion, and one supported by your doubling down on juvenile by including Fox News, John Boehner, and Sarah Palin in your response.

    I think I've made by point, and you've proven where you're coming from in both context and perhaps on other levels as well.

    Thanks.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US health care system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst health care and overall health.

    This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better health care than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

    My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of health care quality, service and costs?

    The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
    Over the past year, I can't figure out this Businessinsider website. It's comparable to Yahoo's front page. They post any article and never fact checking. Defiantly not a reliable source.

    The best one Businessinsider did was the "Best Top Ten Marine Corps in the World." To the best of my knowledge there are only three or four marine corps in the world. The Royal Marines are not a corps.

    I've recently been to Costa Rica, their health care is third world. There are a few hospitals that are decent but they are for the Americans who live down there.

    Half the countries that were listed you can find people getting off the plane at JFK and LAX today coming from those countries to get an operation in America. Even the King of Saudia Arabia and his family come to America for their health care.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Really? Criticism resulting in exile is appropriate?

    Are you hearing yourself?
    Trying to poke people into taking responsibility for their radicalism is pretty pointless.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

    This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

    My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

    The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
    I see a few nonhealthcare factors used to determine the best healthcare. Why would they do that?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I've now provided three articles from three different sources that all claim, based on worldwide research, that the US has a terrible healthcare system.

    No, all you have provided is biased and flawed information.
    I provided a link to the information that has shown the Who ranking are admittedly biased, skewed and flawed.

    And then I provided the methodology from your second link showing it really has nothing to do with "better healthcare".


    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Is it a global conspiracy? Or maybe, certain elements in your own country that are doing very well by your system don't want it to change? Which is more likely?
    It is an agenda. An agenda that is willing to use biased and flawed information to further the agenda.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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