View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    6 13.04%
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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What was the surgery? Did she have pneumonia? Do you really think if Canadians are dying because they cant get needed surgery? Why arent they trying to get a system like ours? Oh the outrage...
    that happens with just about every nationalized healthcare, precisely why the lazy ****s love it

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Wait times for treatments are ordered by need if she really did need that surgery to live she would have pushed to the front of the line or they would pay to have the treatment in another province or elsewhere. I assume she died of other causes as you knwo people do die of things we cannot help.
    that wasn't an option and he could not afford to send her to the US, she died needlessly. She was only 61, it was very sad and needless.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    First, it's "your", second, numbers count for everything in terms of availability and treatment.
    Sorry..Still not a valid criticism. We have more people to treat, we also have more hospitals and doctors. Saying vague generalized statements still have no bearing on realty. You just don't like big scary "socialism" even though it's been shown to be more effective in terms of healthcare.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    he makes 10k more than I do and I take home 20%+ more money that he does. Free healthcare is nothing but a liberal lie
    This is anecdotal evidence, to start with, and secondly, this really glosses over the point: The poorest Brits aren't paying anywhere near 50% taxes -- in fact, some of them don't have to pay taxes at all.

    As for your friend, imaginary or not, recall that he doesn't have to shell out for social security, healthcare, education, or any of the other 'added costs' that are taken care of by the state.

    You don't seem to understand this: No one would willingly pay more. If one system clearly helped everyone to have way more money, we would all use that. But the funny thing is, over the course of the 70 years of the NHS, numerous studies have been done to prove that it IS worth it. If it wasn't worth it, nobody would do it.

    Healthcare must be funded, somehow. That is a universal truth. Whether it comes from your taxes or from your wallet is a largely unimportant detail (though it's also a fact that Americans pay MORE for their healthcare than Brits or Frenchmen do).

    However! A system where it's every man for himself has all the morality of a cannibal tribe. You can't call yourself a civilised nation if you refuse to support your fellow citizens out of pure, pathetic greed.

    You, individually, will pay less and get better service if the US had a nationalised healthcare system. Add to boot that you wouldn't be stuck in the 19th century philosophically speaking, and I can't see why so many Americans resist it.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    so in fact taxes are more for the free healthcare system you have? I would rather pay less taxes so I have more money to invest to grow my own portfolio, not the governments
    And this is the fundamental problem. You and those like you are so selfish and childish that you would see your countrymen die instead of paying a few more percent tax.

    Disgusting.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Any evidence? Or just another mindless RW mantra?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    that happens with just about every nationalized healthcare, precisely why the lazy ****s love it
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    And we end up paying or it anyway, it goes past childish and selfish to just flat dumb. There is an entire world of evidence UHC far ouitperforms our system for less money, yet the conservatives in this country "know" better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    And this is the fundamental problem. You and those like you are so selfish and childish that you would see your countrymen die instead of paying a few more percent tax.

    Disgusting.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    This is anecdotal evidence, to start with, and secondly, this really glosses over the point: The poorest Brits aren't paying anywhere near 50% taxes -- in fact, some of them don't have to pay taxes at all.

    As for your friend, imaginary or not, recall that he doesn't have to shell out for social security, healthcare, education, or any of the other 'added costs' that are taken care of by the state.

    You don't seem to understand this: No one would willingly pay more. If one system clearly helped everyone to have way more money, we would all use that. But the funny thing is, over the course of the 70 years of the NHS, numerous studies have been done to prove that it IS worth it. If it wasn't worth it, nobody would do it.

    Healthcare must be funded, somehow. That is a universal truth. Whether it comes from your taxes or from your wallet is a largely unimportant detail (though it's also a fact that Americans pay MORE for their healthcare than Brits or Frenchmen do).

    However! A system where it's every man for himself has all the morality of a cannibal tribe. You can't call yourself a civilised nation if you refuse to support your fellow citizens out of pure, pathetic greed.

    You, individually, will pay less and get better service if the US had a nationalised healthcare system. Add to boot that you wouldn't be stuck in the 19th century philosophically speaking, and I can't see why so many Americans resist it.
    I was paying much less for healthcare than the Brits or the Canadians before ACA kicked in. Free healthcare nuts are just lazy ****s that want something for nothing

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    And we end up paying or it anyway, it goes past childish and selfish to just flat dumb. There is an entire world of evidence UHC far ouitperforms our system for less money, yet the conservatives in this country "know" better.
    meh, must be why most of the counties that have it are in worse economical shape that we are

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Any evidence? Or just another mindless RW mantra?
    plenty, all one has to do is step out of his cubicle and avoid the liberal programming

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