View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    6 13.04%
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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Are you an anarchist then?
    Anarchy has too many meanings (like capitalism) to attach myself to it.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    If they can't feed their families because they are poor they aren't paying taxes and if they are they can't feed their families because they are bad with money.
    they pay 53% taxes, so basically .53 of every dollar goes to the government, imagine a family of 4 giving over have their income to the government every pay day? Holy ****!

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    "We liked ours too"...Maybe you did. The poor, not so much. Now, Obamacare may not be the perfect solution, but it isn't the menace your partisanship tries to portray.
    The poor aren't fans of anything they have to pay for, that's part of being poor. However, the near and working poor are devastated by Obamacare. Not being "poor enough" for subsidy, they now have to buy insurance, prices on which have inflated AND the option of finding a job that offers healthcare as a benefit is growing dimmer by the moment.

    It's not partisanship, there are folks on the left saying the same thing. Why, because it's the reality of it. The only question here is why you would support such a thing.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    You're defacto reason has no merit. What bearing does numbers have on the system?
    First, it's "your", second, numbers count for everything in terms of availability and treatment.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    they pay 53% taxes, so basically .53 of every dollar goes to the government, imagine a family of 4 giving over have their income to the government every pay day? Holy ****!
    Then they are rather wealthy and have a very crap accountant. They would have to make around 160,000$/year, live in Nova Scotia, and take no deductions. Even then hey are not paying 53%. According to a difftrent clauculator they would only have to make 120,000$/year in Quebec to achieve 50% without any deductions. Either way they would have to be wealthy.
    Last edited by Carjosse; 01-04-14 at 07:14 PM.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Read my posts, I am not defending ACA, I'm saying that the previous non-system was not acceptable. I prefer a system that does not include a role for insurance companies at all.
    I simply disagree. I think there are a lot of things that can be done that haven't been properly considered and that keep federal government out of health care completely or mostly.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    the garbage is you think everyone should pay 50+% in federal taxes so some crackhead can have free healthcare
    We don't make everyone pay 50% tax. That's simply factually inaccurate. We have a progressive tax scale, like you do.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    We don't make everyone pay 50% tax. That's simply factually inaccurate. We have a progressive tax scale, like you do.
    And that's fine if it works for you folks. Not how I want to live, but hey, if it doesn't piss you off and you see the merit in living that way, more power to you.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    It's the profit.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Then they are rather wealthy and have a very crap accountant. They would have to make around 160,000$/year, live in Nova Scotia, and take no deductions. Even then hey are not paying 53%. According to a difftrent clauculator they would only have to make 120,000$/year in Quebec to achieve 50% without any deductions. Either way they would have to be wealthy.
    bullcrap, one lives in Montreal, he makes 10k more that I do, and I still live better and have money left to invest. Of course now we have ACA which weakens coverage and cost more so I may be in the same boat as him now

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